TW books review: Almost Perfect
Oct. 30th, 2008 10:01 pmGod this was fucking marvelous.
It doesn't seem like it will be at first. It seems choppy and then obvious and then like the big issue is that Ianto's a woman of a sudden.
But no no no it's actually about people making peace with what they've got and includes this amazing moment of Jack dealing with his feelings for the Doctor! It was very poignant especially in light of yesterday's news.
Also, various folks in fandom have said this book definitely confirms that Jack either loves or does not love Ianto, depending on who you talk to. Both readings work. It's very ambiguous despite teh presence of a seemingly definitive statement (well two, that contradict each other, but that's not even why it's ambiguous). But you definitely see Jack stepping up to be responsible towards, I think, regardless of what reading you take of their relationship.
It also has a lot of unkind things to say about gay dance club culture, and I am waffling whether to say I'm uncomfortable with that or if those things struck me as totally right the fuck on, having spent a LOT of time in that culture and not as a fag hag (I was just there -- it's a long story). I think that will read differently to different people, and is perhaps more problematic when thinking of a straight reading audience who doesn't get how it is and isn't true than a queer reading audience who can nod and move along. There are gender moments that also sort of hit me the same way in that they could be better, but hi, this book is for straight people (although I would be surprised if the author were).
We also have the closest thing I've seen to a sex scene in TW novel -- all dialogue, but not hard to picture in its way.
Amusingly, contains confirmation of Kali and I's theory that Ianto has been to raves.
If you are a hardcore Jack/Ianto romance shipper, you still want to read Twilight Streets if you only read one of these. But if you are interested in Jack/Ianto in a working through their issues together and awkwardly way, this is the one you have to read. It's also probably the best in terms of being a book in its own right outside of tie-in candy.
Totally worth a read.
It doesn't seem like it will be at first. It seems choppy and then obvious and then like the big issue is that Ianto's a woman of a sudden.
But no no no it's actually about people making peace with what they've got and includes this amazing moment of Jack dealing with his feelings for the Doctor! It was very poignant especially in light of yesterday's news.
Also, various folks in fandom have said this book definitely confirms that Jack either loves or does not love Ianto, depending on who you talk to. Both readings work. It's very ambiguous despite teh presence of a seemingly definitive statement (well two, that contradict each other, but that's not even why it's ambiguous). But you definitely see Jack stepping up to be responsible towards, I think, regardless of what reading you take of their relationship.
It also has a lot of unkind things to say about gay dance club culture, and I am waffling whether to say I'm uncomfortable with that or if those things struck me as totally right the fuck on, having spent a LOT of time in that culture and not as a fag hag (I was just there -- it's a long story). I think that will read differently to different people, and is perhaps more problematic when thinking of a straight reading audience who doesn't get how it is and isn't true than a queer reading audience who can nod and move along. There are gender moments that also sort of hit me the same way in that they could be better, but hi, this book is for straight people (although I would be surprised if the author were).
We also have the closest thing I've seen to a sex scene in TW novel -- all dialogue, but not hard to picture in its way.
Amusingly, contains confirmation of Kali and I's theory that Ianto has been to raves.
If you are a hardcore Jack/Ianto romance shipper, you still want to read Twilight Streets if you only read one of these. But if you are interested in Jack/Ianto in a working through their issues together and awkwardly way, this is the one you have to read. It's also probably the best in terms of being a book in its own right outside of tie-in candy.
Totally worth a read.
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Date: 2008-10-31 02:44 am (UTC)I actually seem to have missed most of the commentary on this and haven't read the book, so uh, I'm kind of out of the loop as far as what's being interpreted in what way.
I have a hard time paying for fiction when I have a tendency to enjoy fanfiction for free much more. I'd have to pretty much know I was going to love it to consider it.
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Date: 2008-10-31 03:01 am (UTC)I must have read the quotes that
I've only just been able put in my order at bookdepository.co.uk (hurrah for pay-day!). Is that where you ordered your copy from? If so, how long did it take to ship?
*passes over microphone*
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Date: 2008-10-31 06:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-31 11:21 am (UTC)What I loved most about Almost Perfect is how big a character it shows Ianto to be that he won't ask the alien whatsit to "fix" Jack for him (regardless of whether the said alien whatsit can be said to be a reliable witness in the matter of Jack loving or not).
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Date: 2008-10-31 01:05 pm (UTC)As to the alien being reliable or not -- I'm tempted to say not, because like advertising the thing is a bully and prays on insecurities. Which doesn't mean that Jack _does_ love Ianto, just that I wouldn't take the alien's word. Personally I walked away from the book feling like the Jack is in love with Ianto, but in a very human way an that Jack no longer feels entirely connected to his humanity, and, as such, isn't present or totally engaged with those feelings nor does he think he should be.
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Date: 2008-10-31 01:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-31 01:07 pm (UTC)And it's very, very sad. Especially if you are a Jack fan.
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Date: 2008-10-31 01:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-31 02:42 pm (UTC)Jack now knows in his bones that everything he loves is a passing swallow.
And Jack may well already know how everyone in Torchwood is going to die.
Mortal love meets immortal life.
Sad and wonderful.
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Date: 2008-10-31 04:36 pm (UTC)I agree to that the alien was probably picking up on Ianto's insecurities, but the fact that Ianto didn't use it to get his happy ending - that's part of what makes me think he has a realistic expectation of what his relationship with Jack entails.
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Date: 2008-10-31 04:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-31 04:50 pm (UTC)Spot on, IMHO.
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Date: 2008-10-31 05:06 pm (UTC)" Those quotes are, by and large, the least interesting of what's going on between them."
*is intrigued*
I have a feeling that this one's definitely going to fuel my literature-induced insomnia.
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Date: 2008-11-02 05:26 pm (UTC)However, once I have read it, you should remind me that this post exists so that I can respond to your commentary.
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Date: 2008-11-09 11:00 pm (UTC)I read it, just finished actually. And agree, that it's actually a really good story. With quite some great images towards the end there. I was pleasantly surprised all in all, by the quality of the writing and by the story, the ideas used throughout ... the chapter titles.
The Ianto as a woman aspect I could have done without, and still think it was not necessary for the story. But I enjoyed the details that went past that, the small details of the working relationship of Jack and Ianto, the dynamics throughout, the tension between them that went past the actual words. Nicely done, there, indeed.
The love/not love. Intriguing, yes.
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Date: 2008-12-06 07:23 pm (UTC)This is definitely the best tie-in I've read to date (not just best TW tie-in, any tie-in - because I really do find them mostly inferior to good fic). I'd almost compare it to some literary fiction, which is NUTS.
I enjoyed Jack's rather crass enjoyment of Ms Jones' appearance, and also how sweet he is with Ianto's fear and confusion over the whole thing.
I don't believe the alien machine for a minute as far as Jack not loving Ianto - but I suspect it knew Ianto was very willing to believe that.
I think Jack loves Ianto, but isn't putting that name to it, for his own scrambled reasons.
I loved Jack's and Ianto's thoughts and observations of their relationship - but I also liked Gwen's a lot. At one point she doubts they actually have sex, but only stand there naked and pout at one another - and I can see that sometimes. Gwen is terribly envious and catty about Ianto's new look, but it doesn't stop her from helping him out. I found it very sad that he started out wearing Lisa's clothes.
I had some conflicts over the gay bar as improved by the Perfection - a lot of stereotypes going on, but that could be because that's what the P. have in mind when they think of perfect, and they are just a little bit tacky. Is there such a THING as opera karaoke?
I've seen speculation over whether they slept together before Ianto changed back to his original form - how could they NOT?
I knew what voice the machine would use with Jack.