So, going back a few eps (skipping over that shit with the frat boys and the snake demon that wanted to be about rape but couldn't be so was just sorta dumb), er, Ethan? That was over the top much, yeah? I mean, I even Torchwood never gets that campy (okay, maybe Billis does), which is saying something. So now I'm all like, okay, Ethan is the ex-bf and technopagan chick is like the first woman Giles has ever dated or what?
Meanwhile, as an aside, I'm sort of totally sick of this "debate" we're all having about gay rights, whether it's marriage or DADT or ENDA or whatever. As if it's reasonable to be having a debate about it. It's not. You can spew your bigotry anywhere you want, but I don't have to actually engage it as if is speech with the same level of value or reasonableness as that which is pro-equality.
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Date: 2010-02-04 06:13 pm (UTC)Not been a problem today for me, but I've had some other technical difficulties today. *grumble*
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Date: 2010-02-04 06:34 pm (UTC)Petition signed.
Thank ghods my friends aren't bigoted; some acquaintances have at least stopped making anti-GLBT comments around me when I've told them that one's sexual orientation is no more a choice than one's skin color, and would you say those same things about a black, or an asian, or a Native American, or... May not have changed anyone's attitude, but at least their behavior around me is better. (Gah. hot button here, apparently, I'm starting to rant...)
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Date: 2010-02-04 06:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-02-04 06:38 pm (UTC)"This erosion of civility in the public square sews division and cynicism among our citizens." is making me think it's the latter...
</compulsive nit picker>
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Date: 2010-02-04 06:40 pm (UTC)Was Ethan campy? I... actually can't even remember what he did on the show anymore. I just remember sorting through reams of Giles/Ethan slash back in the day.
It's also, I felt, the first time we started to see that the guy playing Angel can actually act
You're far more generous to him than I was! He's good at creepy darkness and goofy humor, but I thought he had all the personality of a rock during that broody hunk thing they stuck him with in early BtVS. He's way better in late season two and in his own show.
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Date: 2010-02-04 06:41 pm (UTC)Almost every institution in the Potterverse is corrupt and/or incompetent. I think of Hogwarts as kind of half-assed, but the media and the government are a lot worse. The exceptions are the goblin bank and the competency tests-- everyone trusts them, and the trust seems to be well-founded.
What works in the wizarding world is loyalty between individuals in very small groups.
This gives a very different feel than LOTR, in which some large institutions are
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Date: 2010-02-04 06:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-02-04 06:55 pm (UTC)Season 2 is my favorite Buffy season. These episodes you're watching are what made me a fan back in the '90s, so please keep posting about them.
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Date: 2010-02-04 07:02 pm (UTC)So now I'm all like, okay, Ethan is the ex-bf and technopagan chick is like the first woman Giles has ever dated or what?
No, no. Giles is omnisexual once you get him out of the tweed. But Ethan is DEFINITELY the ex-bf. They parted over religious differences (not political ones like Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr). Just wait until Band Candy...
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Date: 2010-02-04 07:09 pm (UTC)Giles/Ethan is... another one of those Jossverse things that probably did indeed happen. I'd love to hear Joss's thoughts on it actually, I don't think he's ever said, but he's usually really good about making stuff canon by Word of God.
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Date: 2010-02-04 07:39 pm (UTC)Here, have an icon. ;-)
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Date: 2010-02-04 07:56 pm (UTC)There's just maybe a little tiny bit of subtext you could read into that, yeah.
* I use this term in the general sense. Giles is so clearly keeping big closets full of all kinds of things, whether they're sexual or not. His entire JOB is being undercover.
Lie to Me is tasty on an ethical storytelling level, and also lets Angel start mocking the So Serious Vampire thing a little more often.
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Date: 2010-02-04 08:45 pm (UTC)S2 gets really good. It has a couple of episodes that are among the best hours of television I've seen.
But yeah, the giant-snake-worshipping frat boys episode was pretty bad.
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Date: 2010-02-04 08:55 pm (UTC)Ethan is seriously OTT but kind of delightful. I love it when Giles lets loose his inner "Ripper".
I love "Lie to Me".
I think the thing with Jenny is that Giles doesn't know how to deal with dating as a grown-up, especially with a colleague. He's still trying to figure out being a Watcher, not to mention having a truly unique Slayer, who has a whole back up squad, helping. He's really out of his element in so many ways.
Shall I flap my arms a bit more so the butterfly effect will kick in, and y'all will get some snow, too? ;-p I did the major shopping I needed today (I hate it when my regular shopping coincides with a weather incident), so we're actually good to go. I'm sort of bummed that even the low key birthday plans for Sat. (I turn 41 and my husband turns 40) have been snow squashed. I'm not too hopeful for the dance workshop in Newark, DE (also in the mega snow band), so really this weekend is looking like a total wash. At least next weekend we'll be in NYC!
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Date: 2010-02-04 09:07 pm (UTC)ETA: I should say, I have always felt like Buffy suffers from not really letting Buffy grow up for a torturously long time (IMHO), while Angel started off as a much more adult show.
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Date: 2010-02-05 12:27 am (UTC)Well, Ethan is almost certainly the ex-bf. Jenny may or may not be the first woman he's *ever* dated, but he's certainly as awkward as if that's true.
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Date: 2010-02-05 01:30 am (UTC)Buffy is to Angel as Doctor Who is to Torchwood?
Also, just because in a battle between porn and plot, we cannot let plot win:
Help synecdochic figure out what to write...
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Date: 2010-02-05 05:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-02-05 06:39 am (UTC)Religion. Through the story we see ghosts, the paintings of people who have passed on, Harry dying and meeting Dumbledore ... and then at the holidays there is a Christmas tree! No other symbols associated to religion are seen or talked about ... do they know something that the muggles don't?
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Date: 2010-02-05 02:48 pm (UTC)This is a similar thing i said about the torture debate. Why is this a debate? Why are we treating the anti-gay rights side (or, because then, the pro-torture side) as reasonable? Why are we treating this like a legitimate psoition? Why aren't we treating them like bigots on the lunatic fringe?!
Why are we DISCUSSING this?! Why does it need to be discussed? Why is it being treated as a balanced exchange of reasonable views? It's like when the BBC posted their damn poll - WHY is homophobia given legitimacy?