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So, it was finally time for "Seeing Red," and my feelings are largely ambivalent. I don't think what Spike did (whether it was rape, attempted rape, threatened rape, etc.) was out of character -- we see him physically and sexually bully women both pre- and post- chip. I did find Buffy's response out of character -- not that she was startled, afraid and weak/injured, but just that what the show has argued as her automatic (not learned, most of us forget what we've learned when we're in danger) fighting abilities were not there. Also, I hated how the scene was overlit, although it was also interesting at the end how the scene where Buffy is talking to Xander before Warren shows up with a gun is also overlit. Also this whole thing doesn't stop me from being engaged with Spike as a character -- that's the great thing about fiction, I can like totally shit people who do totally shit things because their use in a narrative is brain stimulating on some level.
I found Tara's death to be startling, even though I knew about it (I didn't know it was this episode), and well done. I did not find it to be homophobic. Willow and Tara were the last couple standing, and if Whedon wanted all the couples doomed and they'd just gotten back together, that's what he had to do. I also appreciated that prior to the shooting Willow and Tara finally read like people who actually fuck, as opposed to the way lesbians usually read on TV, which is as people who pet each other gently and don't really have sex.
Xander was SUCH AN ASSHOLE in this ep I thought I was going to throw something at the TV.
Loved the Spike/Anya thing.
Meanwhile on Angel, Cordy is some mother goddess demon of love who I assume will eventually sacrifice her life so that Angel can become mortal. Connor is fucked up (and where do I know that kid from) and Holtz has bad make-up and a fucked up plan. Lila is courting Wesley and none of this is going to end well.
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:27 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:37 pm (UTC)Well, that's what he's in at mo', I can't think of any where else (big that is) that he's been in.
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-01 01:39 pm (UTC)Touching when Teaching
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:42 pm (UTC)Re: Touching when Teaching
Date: 2010-06-01 01:43 pm (UTC)Obviously, with fencing there are differences -- people are holding weapons and you need to warn them before you touch so you don't startle. But in dance my body was a machine, not some terrifying sexual object that must be ignored even as it is central to the work.
The degree and manner in which people tried to avoid sexual harassment lawsuits in fencing was infinitely more shaming, uncomfortable and sexualizing than the 15 years I spent having teachers pick up my legs and put them where they needed to be. The body must be shown.
There's a lot of reasons my salle was probably an irrevocably terrible fit for me, and many of them were unique to that place, but this issue was perhaps merely me at odds with the modern world. In dance there is touching. That's how it works. Dancers touch in dance. Perhaps in fencing since you mostly never touch, the taboo is stronger.
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:43 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:48 pm (UTC)Sinkhole. O.M.G. I've just sat staring at it. Also just a horrible disaster... :(
I don't think what Spike did (whether it was rape, attempted rape, threatened rape, etc.) was out of character -- we see him physically and sexually bully women both pre- and post- chip. I did find Buffy's response out of character -- not that she was startled, afraid and weak/injured, but just that what the show has argued as her automatic (not learned, most of us forget what we've learned when we're in danger) fighting abilities were not there.
This is pretty spot-on. And poor Tara. :(
Meanwhile on Angel Cordy is some mother goddess demon of love who I assume will eventually sacrifice her life so that Angel can become mortal.
LOL! Um... I shouldn't laugh. Sorry. It's just... you'll see. And really, I shouldn't laugh.
Lila is courting Wesley and none of this is going to end well.
Lilah/Wesley is probably my favourite AtS couple. Soooo screwed up, and yet... Oh Wesley.
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-01 01:50 pm (UTC)ETA: My other favourite couple is Spike/Angel and they're not exactly much with the in-canon hand holding...
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-01 01:52 pm (UTC)Re: Touching when Teaching
Date: 2010-06-01 01:53 pm (UTC)Did they have the same issues repositioning male students?
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:54 pm (UTC)Buffy's reaction to Spike's attack was the one of the things that felt off. It felt as though the author's agenda took precedent over the character's story and past conduct. There was a lot of that in season 6 (see the magic=drug addiction story line).
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:55 pm (UTC)*dies laughing*
It's more about how you define 'couple'.
(And I swear I didn't mean to spoil you - so, so sorry! *points to icon* I thought you were further along than you are.)
Re: Touching when Teaching
Date: 2010-06-01 01:56 pm (UTC)I remember, right when I was first allowed to use a foil one of them yelling at me "don't be embarrassed aim for my nipple" and it never occurred to them that because I had never struck someone with a foil before I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO AIM YET. So the idea of telling me what I felt, telling me I was ashamed. It was, unconsciously, important to them I be afraid and embarrassed, both of the work and my body.
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Date: 2010-06-01 01:59 pm (UTC)That the writers tiptoe around with great care.
I swear, every single Spike/Angel fan was squealing in delight at the Jack/John barfight/makeout scene and at the same time complaining: 'WHY DIDN'T WE GET THIS WITH SPIKE AND ANGEL???' At least we got the sorta-kiss in my icon... Me? Bitter? Not at all. (This is why I love Torchwood and RTD stealing all of Joss' ideas! And sometimes his actors too...)
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Date: 2010-06-01 02:00 pm (UTC)