no Catholicism officially doesnt hold that people get punished for sin while alive.
at least, not usually (there have been exceptional smitings) and not like that. people suffer, (Not are punished) because of sin in teh world. generically. we live in a sinful world and so many people suffer. period.
there are many many quibbles! certainly, i have a few myself...
one of the issues is the difference between "dogma" or official teachings, and the opinions of important people in teh church. that happens.
i suspect the hostility to gay priests is being fueled especially by three things (not agreeing with!!!!! simply pointing to issues)
1. the fact that the church is always accused of "harboring teh gays!" by other churches, and they specifically point at celibate priests as a "safe haven" for gays.. i suspect the reaction to that has been to dig in their heels a lot. 2. there have been instances of SOME seminaries having some very abusive gay teachers and seminarians, who were badly behaved, often AT the other seminarians. This led to at least a few would be priests leaving the church and joining other even less gay friendly churches, while proclaiming how the seminary was a hot bed of gay sex. what do you think the reaction in the church heirarchy was to THAT? it only has to happen once to blow up ..... 3. the constant confusion between pedophilia, which is often same sex, and homosexuality, which is not an attraction to children. as long as those two keep getting confused there will be issues. (basically a lot fo straight folk just see "but it was a male priest and a male child" they dont GET the difference)
honestly? i think lesbianism is one of those things that.. well teh church inherited the Jewish position on sex a lot. to over simplify? we are a tribe. we must reproduce. anything that leads to not reproducing is bad. also leaving teh tribe or marrying THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE is bad. men making with other than the wimmin =no kids.
if the girls want to play with each other , as long as they make babies and dont endanger my paternity, its nothing we need to know about
honestly most of Catholicsim is layering on that tribal "must track lineage" stuff....
Re: to clarify a point
Catholicism officially doesnt hold that people get punished for sin while alive.
at least, not usually (there have been exceptional smitings) and not like that.
people suffer, (Not are punished) because of sin in teh world. generically. we live in a sinful world and so many people suffer. period.
there are many many quibbles! certainly, i have a few myself...
one of the issues is the difference between "dogma" or official teachings, and the opinions of important people in teh church. that happens.
i suspect the hostility to gay priests is being fueled especially by three things (not agreeing with!!!!! simply pointing to issues)
1. the fact that the church is always accused of "harboring teh gays!" by other churches, and they specifically point at celibate priests as a "safe haven" for gays.. i suspect the reaction to that has been to dig in their heels a lot.
2. there have been instances of SOME seminaries having some very abusive gay teachers and seminarians, who were badly behaved, often AT the other seminarians. This led to at least a few would be priests leaving the church and joining other even less gay friendly churches, while proclaiming how the seminary was a hot bed of gay sex. what do you think the reaction in the church heirarchy was to THAT? it only has to happen once to blow up .....
3. the constant confusion between pedophilia, which is often same sex, and homosexuality, which is not an attraction to children. as long as those two keep getting confused there will be issues. (basically a lot fo straight folk just see "but it was a male priest and a male child" they dont GET the difference)
honestly? i think lesbianism is one of those things that.. well teh church inherited the Jewish position on sex a lot.
to over simplify?
we are a tribe. we must reproduce. anything that leads to not reproducing is bad. also leaving teh tribe or marrying THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE is bad. men making with other than the wimmin =no kids.
if the girls want to play with each other , as long as they make babies and dont endanger my paternity, its nothing we need to know about
honestly most of Catholicsim is layering on that tribal "must track lineage" stuff....