Love your post. Have no time to comment properly, so instead I shall quote an old interview with David Fury:
FURY: ...the last beat of the episode would be Angel and whoever was left of his crew about to launch into the apocalypse. My thought on that is, that's the perfect way to end the show. The point of Buffy was always girl power and showing that power. The point of Angel was always that the fight never ends. He'll always fight. It's an eternity of fighting. You can't ever win but the fight is worth fighting. That was a perfect 'going out' scene - you know, the Butch Cassidy/Sundance Kid sort of we're going up against impossible odds and probably die? That's the perfect way to end the series, and anybody who says otherwise is dumb. [...] Unlike Buffy who ended up with her three friends and were able to end in that way, in Angel's case, everybody that he's ever been close to dies, which is really Angel's story - that he will always outlive the people he cares about. He has gone on and on, he has seen people he loves die, which is another reason that he and Buffy realized they couldn't be together. [...] But the fact that he was side-by-side with Spike was kind of a wonderful turnaround in the mythology of the series. Interviewer: There's Butch and Sundance right there.
That ending episode is one of the best things shown on TV.
Myself, I've always been a Buffy girl-or more accurately a Willow girl.While she was a computer person(which I wasn't but was interested in)I understood her shyness and frustration and trying to get to know herself--as well as the notes of anger and powerhungriness at her core. She's flawed and wonderful and I love her.
(Also identified with Tara as well, so it got complex and interesting for a while even though the narrative went goofy and upsetting, but damn I still love her and will never stop.) It may be silly but I still look to her for inspiration and how to deal with things.
Actually, this really has nothing to do with what you are talking about but I hope it's interesting anyway. You make me want to write more about it.
Don't get me started on the whole Cordy/Conner squickfest. The moment in which she justified to herself popping Conner's cherry was the moment I lost all interest in her. Not even Buffy-era Cordy could be that...calculating.
That being said, Oh Wesley. Always supressing your individual wants and desires for the good of the group. To the bitter bitter end, when even Illyria knows all that she can do for you is put on the Fred suit.
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FURY: ...the last beat of the episode would be Angel and whoever was left of his crew about to launch into the apocalypse. My thought on that is, that's the perfect way to end the show. The point of Buffy was always girl power and showing that power. The point of Angel was always that the fight never ends. He'll always fight. It's an eternity of fighting. You can't ever win but the fight is worth fighting. That was a perfect 'going out' scene - you know, the Butch Cassidy/Sundance Kid sort of we're going up against impossible odds and probably die? That's the perfect way to end the series, and anybody who says otherwise is dumb.
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Unlike Buffy who ended up with her three friends and were able to end in that way, in Angel's case, everybody that he's ever been close to dies, which is really Angel's story - that he will always outlive the people he cares about. He has gone on and on, he has seen people he loves die, which is another reason that he and Buffy realized they couldn't be together. [...] But the fact that he was side-by-side with Spike was kind of a wonderful turnaround in the mythology of the series.
Interviewer: There's Butch and Sundance right there.
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Myself, I've always been a Buffy girl-or more accurately a Willow girl.While she was a computer person(which I wasn't but was interested in)I understood her shyness and frustration and trying to get to know herself--as well as the notes of anger and powerhungriness at her core. She's flawed and wonderful and I love her.
(Also identified with Tara as well, so it got complex and interesting for a while even though the narrative went goofy and upsetting, but damn I still love her and will never stop.) It may be silly but I still look to her for inspiration and how to deal with things.
Actually, this really has nothing to do with what you are talking about but I hope it's interesting anyway. You make me want to write more about it.
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you are so not the only one there! and i love love love the angel series finale - it's one of my fave finales ever
everything you said about wesley - yes yes
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That being said, Oh Wesley. Always supressing your individual wants and desires for the good of the group. To the bitter bitter end, when even Illyria knows all that she can do for you is put on the Fred suit.