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[rm]

Gay Vague vs. Metrosexuality
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/fashion/sundaystyles/19GAYDAR.html

Amusing and interesting, but has the NYTimes really just clued into the fact that people say "Chelsea Boy" as a pejroative term? I think that's been being said with a nasty edge for at least five years now.

And is this article only about men because of the shopping angle as approach to gaydar? Or because queer women are too unfashionable to even think of? It's an easier article to write about men, but how about the article where it's "no one gives a damn anymore." Also the things they mention as "straight men stil can't get away with this" made me laugh, because they are so Australia, and straight men can and do get away with it there.

The article also has this random phrase about gay and straight men expressing masculinity different in the bedroom. Which made me think that I don't particularly express my feminity differently whether I'm sleeping with a man or a woman. Of course, I'm really not even thinking about expressing my feminity at all in that context, because like... my god, the brain does actually shut off sometimes. Just... that phrase struck me as so weird. I mean women don't say to themselves, "oh, let me show you what a girl I am by how I screw you and who you are", at least, I hope they don't. When a guy is screwing whoever his partner is, is he really consciously thinking about how this is an expression of his masculinity? No, he's thinking, "hey, my dick is hard. You're hot. Cool." Or, if one is lucky, I suppose, something more eloquent.

okay, this rant is getting more and more surreal.

As an aside, anyone notice that Queer Eye used to be about freaking out the straight people with the gay guys, but now it's abotu freaking out the gay guys with the straight people?

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[orien.livejournal.com]

Michael is one of the more masculine (as in, "I am a man, through and through," and not so much with the, "I am a chauvinist.") people I know and his sex-based thoughtforms largely consist of, "Wow!" and "I wonder if he's enjoying this as much as I am. Wow!"

I don't think.

[rm.livejournal.com]

I am soooo glad my incoherency on this subject made sense to somoene. But now, back to the theatre.

[saltbox.livejournal.com]

Also the things they mention as "straight men stil can't get away with this" made me laugh, because they are so Australia, and straight men can and do get away with it there.

I thought they were funny too, but mostly because D swears by his Speedos.

do tell!

[splodgenoodles.livejournal.com]

What is it the blokes are getting away with here?

Hello, introductions, and a question.

[blishlock.livejournal.com]

Hello!

I apologize for butting in. My name is Mike; I'm a semi-longtime lurker. Your writings are really interesting to me because they're so different from what I normally find. Put simply, we're nearly polar opposites and run in completely different crowds. :-) I think I first 'discovered' you when I read a quote from your journal regarding the then-soon to be election '04 on a friend's journal, who referenced the journal they quoted it from, who referenced it... Eventually I found the source.

Anyhow, hi!

Now, I must ask... What is a "Chelsea Boy"? I've never heard that term used or seen it in print before.

Re: do tell!

[ozfille]

Maybe its in reference to choices available to them here as outlined in this piece from the Herald Sun and the Daily Telegraph concerning a new range of clothes for men here -

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15640589-13762,00.html

It seems metrosexuals are passe and mirls or hermaphrodudes (not my words) are in.

[amberite.livejournal.com]

To me gender in sex has to do with imagery, naming and extrapolation. There are times when I'm willing to have the parts of my body that mark me as female-sexed said aloud, and times when I'm not. I do not find that I inhabit my body particularly less when I'm in that kind of a state, but I do find that I'm sometimes having to make room for an astral penis.

[roadnotes.livejournal.com]

"Oh, I'm a girly girl -- you can tell by the way I'm showing my pink for you..."

I don't think so.

Re: Hello, introductions, and a question.

[rm.livejournal.com]

Hi! I don't know if you live in NYC, but Chelsea is the newer gay neighborhood here, and it's the word we use for the very very muscled and tan gay man that was once ubiquitous in that neighborhood. Just a random, and particularly NYC gay stereotype.

Re: do tell!

[rm.livejournal.com]

Wow, those terms hurt my head, but I will check out the link.

Re: do tell!

[rm.livejournal.com]

Well, as the article mentions, knowing all the words to Kylie Minogue songs. Also, my experience of Sydney was that all the men over thirty (and this was interesting to me, the younger men that I dealt with in my classes didn't seem comfortable in this way yet), wore the most wonderful, flowery, foppish shirts -- great textures, colors, etc... but often in very obvious masculine contexts (e.g., with suits). I thought it was fabulous.

Re: Hello, introductions, and a question.

[blishlock.livejournal.com]

Hi! I don't know if you live in NYC, but Chelsea is the newer gay neighborhood here, and it's the word we use for the very very muscled and tan gay man that was once ubiquitous in that neighborhood. Just a random, and particularly NYC gay stereotype.

I don't live too far away-- Mapquest says it's only a 2,400 mile jog to NYC. :-D I live in Gold Canyon, an unincorporated area about 70 miles east of Phoenix in rural Arizona.

The geographic reference definitely explains why I've not heard the term in these parts. THANK YOU for the clarification!

Re: Hello, introductions, and a question.

[rm.livejournal.com]

NP