PIrates 3

[rm]

This is a really good action movie with a lot of fascinating ideas in it often buried under just a bit too much "and stuff explodes now." Which is a shame.

So you all know how action movies work. I'm going to skip that part and talk about the weird things in it that interested me.

There's an exchange early on, about how the world has gotten smaller, and someone replies, "No, there's just less in it." Discuss.

While it makes no sense on its surface, isn't that exactly what the proliferation of lots of stuff and the ability fo do everything quickly has wrought. It's not that the world is smaller, there's just so much less undiscovered. I know I romanticize times and places and ways of being that were brutal. I know this. Truly. I like penecilian and the Internet. I understand. But there is, I think, less in it, it being the modern world or the modernizing world. I was moved.

Oh, hey speaking moved. The beginning? Darkity dark dark dark. Ballsy dark. The hung teh kid! Awesome. Awesome awesome awesome.

Okay, moving along. Elizabeth's big speech to rally the pirates to fight? Actually worked! Which is interesting considering how often that great, critical speech moment doesn't work in films (I'm looking at you Colin Farrell in Alexander or you, Leonardo DiCaprio in Gangs of New York). So why does it work here? Is it the plot arc for Elizabeth? Is it that Hans Zimmer is a god and can make anything work? Is it that we like these things more coming from underdogs (giving LeoDio no excuse for GoNY)? Is it because Keira Knightly can act? Or is it because a woman knows that she has to in such a moment radiate power one might not expect from her and so both the character and the actress stepped teh fuck up? I don't know, but there's something to learn from it.

The whole moment when Will stabs the heart and Jack has to take Elizabeth away as all the men come to help cut out his heart was so well and darkly done I was beside myself. And how interesting that after being mistaken for Calypso, Elizabeth winds up in her role.

Now, about that bit aftr the credits: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK? Is there a reason our three, _three_, heroes can't each still be sailing the sea independently of each other? I wanted to see Will and Elizabeth and their son on land, two boats tied up in the cove and the pearl, off in the distance closing in, whether for some sort of gurdge match, a new crisis or your poly fantasies, I don't really give a crap. WHAT THE HELL? I realize this sequence was more about dispelling some of the horrid (excellent!) darkness of the film rather than weakening or refeminizing Elizabeth, but come fucking on! She tried to get Norington to turn pirate, she became pirate king (not queen, you'll note), it was like we had to be left with this totally lame weak thing to make up for the fact that they actually hung a cute singing urchin at the beginning of a fucking Disney film.

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Comments

[hakeber.livejournal.com]

One of my favorite scenes was the one between Calypso (the real one) and Davey Jones down in the lock-up. The hint of a great romance, or a great man, that once was...one glimpse of him as he used to be...and knowing that Calypso was right, and they had always been doomed. That scene made me want to know the rest of their story. I wish I could have seen that romance, even though I know how it ends.

[crazycatlady.livejournal.com]

What I'm most curious is is what island did they ditch Elizabeth on? You never really see if there's a little town or anything like that. I think it'd be interesting to see how she foraged a home, refused to age, and found a nifty dress.

As far as a fourth movie, if they do one, I'd rather they do something with Calypso and Dave. Tasty as Orlando looked at the end (I'm ashamed to have said that) I think a few more hours of him being headstrong and pirate-y chasing after the Fountain of Youth would ruin the taste.

I am one of those people

[newwaytowrite.livejournal.com]

who always stays and watches the credits role by until the end. I do it out of respect and to give credit to the people in the credits that did all the work on the film. People crave acknowledgement for their efforts and I for one give those folks in the movie business their due.

So...I pains me to know I missed the credits on Saturday evening but after such a long movie I had to pee and well I missed out.

Perhaps I am better off having missed this time around.

[mobobocita.livejournal.com]

I hated that moment at the end.

Why couldn't she be on the boat? Will's father returned to normal, as did the whole Jones crew, why couldn't she be with him for his time as captain and move on after?

I'm dreading 4, though at least this was dark and not the overly perky Disney disaster I was expecting.

[rm.livejournal.com]

I think all the men on the boat though had been dead or wrapped up in tehc orse somehow as they were enslaved for 100 years n that boat. I think those men had a chice to either finalyl be released into death or remain in service on the boat. Which is why I think she couldn't stay on the boat.

But why wasn't she a pirate on her own boat. They could have at least hollered at each other over the sea. And she could have had her own adventures. I don't know.

[tsarina.livejournal.com]

I totally missed the end thing - what was it?

[rm.livejournal.com]

Her and her son wiaitng on some cliff after ten years for Will to come back for his one day on land.

[00goddess.livejournal.com]

I thought the beginning was very dark, and I liked that.

- I thought Knightley's speech was awful and contrived and didn't work at all. I really hated it. It was a total energy-killer, and man, she sucks SO BAD when she tries to sound loud and intimidating. But, I think she sucked in this movie and sucked in POTC2.

- I loved the wedding scene. It was cheesy as hell, but in a good way, and I loved how Barbosa launched into the whole wedding preamble and all, that was cool.

- I too was disappointed that Elizabeth ended up waiting for Will on land. But there's always the possibility she could have chosen that, and in fact I bet she would. However, I think having a kid pretty much ruined that whole "One awesome night every ten years," because hey, you aren't getting any awesome nooky with your kid around. On the other hand, he'll only have to worry about that for maybe two of the nights, then the kid will be off on his own.

- They ended it the way they did because Depp wants to do more sequels and the others don't.

[00goddess.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that made no sense to me. I would have preferred that she stay at sea and every once in awhile, the Dutchman would pop up and they would visit one another's ships. After all, Davey Jones could visit other ships and people could visit his.

[00goddess.livejournal.com]

If there is a sequel, Knightly and Bloom probably won't be in it. They have said that they don't want to do any more.

[rm.livejournal.com]

Davey Jones wasn't doing the job he was supposed to though, right? That's why they became all scary and creaturey right? Maybe you can't run around socializing and stuff if you're actually doing the ferrying the dead job or whatever it is. But yeah, NOT CLEAR.

[elionwyr.livejournal.com]

I liked the use of colour in the beginning that intimated Elizabeth was more in league with Barbosa than with anyone else - it made me immediately (but gently) question her loyalty.

Yeah, I didn't get her choosing? having? to be on land afterwards.

Loved the dark moments. Thought the multiple Jack scenes were much too much but an interesting way of explaining how his brain works. The peanut thing was very distracting to me, though.

Wondered if Will ages normally or not. That's gonna friggin' suck the next time he hits land.

I was a little put off that Elizabeth was so quickly accepted as captain of her ship, as more gender issues would have been more believable to me (but much less Disney).

[coyotegoth.livejournal.com]

I'm really hoping to see some fic in which Elizabeth comes home from the seven seas about ten minutes before that scene, shakes her cloak out, and says, "Okay, I'm home- now let's go meet dad." (Failing that, I may have to write some.)

[baronalejandro.livejournal.com]

One thing I didn't like. In the first two, everybody (Barbossa especially) spoke in dialect and accent. I really dug Barbossa for that reason ("Thot's a lot of looong words, missy, and we be but humble pirates!"). In this one, it seems they skimped out on the dialect and just went for the accent and it came off hokey to me.

Overall, I thought this one sucked. Plot was too convoluted and I never did understand the 'multiple jacks'.

[raaven.livejournal.com]

I think I need to see it again, but one of the things I didn't like about it is that there are TOO MANY fascinating ideas, that only barely got introduced, and then were abandoned (for action, for more crazy-Jackness, for whatever). None of them got enough of an exploration to have even bothered putting them in.

They also introduced a TON of mythology about the world that had no foundation, and often was dropped after a line or two. It irked me.