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So Lindsay Lohan is dating a woman and Clay Aiken acknowledges he's gay and most people just seem to be making snarky comments about how obvious all that was before the announcements. And how boring.

And I wish I could agree. Because while neither are celebrities I care about and both pieces of news are things I find unremarkable, it matters tremendously that in the face of long-term and very loud speculation (especially in Aiken's case) the people involved felt they couldn't or shouldn't say anything.

That sucks. It sucks whether it's self-hatred or career preservation, advice from friends or concern over issues of family. And so while no one is surprised that Aiken's gay, it does matter a lot that he's come out. Just as it matters a lot that Lohan has acknowledged her relationship.

Because these are desperately normal celebrities that desperately normal people, who might be the sorts of people who believe they don't even know any gay people, adore. And I don't care who you are or how much the world's been talking about it -- coming out is always scary, especially if you have to do it in People or on CNN.

So dial down the snark a bit, folks. You may not like their creative work or think much of their public personas, but they're doing the work of living life under circumstances more fucked up than any of us can imagine. I was older than both of them when I came out to my parents. So aside from being richer and thinner, today I've got to acknowledge, obvious or no, a couple of celebs being just a bit braver than me too.

Give the kids a break for a day. They deserve it.
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Date: 2008-09-24 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] afterthree.livejournal.com
Here, here.

My uncle is 45, and everyone in the family knows he's gay and that his room mate isn't just his room mate, but he's never come out and no one ever talks about it, and it just makes me incredibly sad to think he can't be completely himself with his own family.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tlatzomia.livejournal.com
Although I wasn't shocked by the Clay news, I'm glad for him for coming out to the public. It really is a brave thing to do.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starkyld.livejournal.com
You make some very good points here. Thank you for writing this.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tru2myart.livejournal.com
*nods and gives a yeah that*

I'm still unclear about Lindsey but I was a follower of Clay's when he first became popular on Idol and even then, even though it was obvious to everyone who was a fan, he hid his relationships when everyone else was free to love as they chose. I met his Mom once and, nice Southern lady that she was, I got the feeling that she was one of the reasons he kept it hidden. Personally I think she would have accepted it even then but, being as young as he was at the time, I don't know that he believed it. He came from a strong Christian home within a strong Christian community and being gay was considered a sin.

I think sometimes people forget the struggle that's still going on in the midst of the sensationalism.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizg.livejournal.com
What I really liked was Aiken's reason for coming out:
"I cannot raise a child to lie or hide things."

Of course we all knew it. But what's important is that he came out, on his own, without being forced, and answered a question he didn't have to answer (he's entitled to his privacy), because he wanted to raise his child to be honest and true to himself. And nobody can argue with that. Well, nobody with a brain cell.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Exactly.

Lohan is dating a woman who is much older than her, and for ages now has been saying they are just best friends. Today she acknowledged (perhaps hoping to be lost in the heat of the Aiken thing, or hoping for celeb solidarity) that they've been dating "for a long time."

She did not state her orientation in the admission, which is why I didn't speculate. The label is also secondary. I like that it's not just celebs coming out these days. Aiken came out. Lohan talked about someone she loves. These are different acts and help to show the world nuance in affectional identities. Makes me happy.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Exactly. Also! Famous gay celebrities with kids is good for the discussion.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tommx.livejournal.com
Actually, I'm hoping that Lindsey being out will mean that she'll be less self destructive in the future and go back to doing some quality work. I think she's very talented, and that has been overshadowed by a lot of her personal issues.

And good for both of them really.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Agreed.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coriander.livejournal.com
I have to agree with you. I think it's brave that he is going public, and I think it's great that he was able to do it in his own time. So what if people speculated? I mean, that's what the whole "coming out" process is about.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xo-kizzy-xo.livejournal.com
I sometimes wonder if the sensationalism depends on the celebrity. Take Jodie Foster, for instance. She's never officially come out to the general public AFAIK. She has 2 sons. Like Aiken, it's a universal given that she's gay and the given has been around for a long time. Nobody makes a big deal about it.

So...let's say she went the Aiken route and announced it to People (which I realize she'd never do, but stay with me here).

Would the sensationalism be the same?

I think not, and I'm not entirely sure why.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redstapler.livejournal.com
She did not state her orientation in the admission, which is why I didn't speculate.

I kinda love that, actually.

Why should having a same-sex partner automatically define you as anything but a human who loves a member of the same sex?

Date: 2008-09-24 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
She's also never denied it. Aiken did. Aiken is more famous than her, flaunts a background that is considered to be anti-gay by many, and, as per usual male homosexuality freaks people out more than female homosexuality, because OMG, you put your cock where?

I think half of America still thinks lesbians just make out and knit or something. We really need to get on a campaign about how brilliantly filthy our sex is too.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
EXACTLY.

Errr, Lindsay Lohan has my Jack Harkness stamp of approval. Or something.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xo-kizzy-xo.livejournal.com
There's an interview with Lohan in this month's Marie Claire where the interviewer concludes with that exact opinion. But, in reading the interview, you get the feeling that although the gf has been a boon to Lohan, Lohan still has a lot of personal issues to overcome before she can be the actor she was meant to be.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drfardook.livejournal.com
The more People Magazine friendly celebrities that come out of the closet the more "normal" it will be for middle america. I'm all for it.

The timing is probably better for them this way. They have enough of a name on their own where it hopefully won't be Clay Aiken, That Gay Guy From That Idol Show for the rest of his career... and life.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xo-kizzy-xo.livejournal.com
True about never denying it. Also she's never been as celebrity-hungry as Aiken or any other starlet (gay or straight) coming down the pike. Let's face it -- you'd never see her splashed across the pages of any gossip rag.

And of course lesbian sex is brilliantly filthy. I've read Dorothy Allison ;)
Edited Date: 2008-09-24 03:35 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-09-24 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
In homophobic political discourse, the subject of women NEVER comes up. Ever.
If there isn't an incorrect number of penises involved, it's simply not part of the discussion.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lllvis.livejournal.com
Because these are desperately normal celebrities that desperately normal people, who might be the sorts of people who believe they don't even know any gay people, adore.

Hmm...okay. Other than the sentiment you express is that line, I always regarded a celebrity coming out as non-news. It's not my business and it doesn't affect me one way or another. But your point is well placed in how it affects those 'sorts of people', and hopefully for the better.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
I'm still unclear as to exactly who Lindsey Lohan is, which may be part of the point, I think.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drinkingcocoa.livejournal.com
I LOVE that Lindsay Lohan has come out about her relationship. My four-year-old saw a picture of the couple in People magazine and I explained that they are girlfriends. Later she saw Heidi Klum kissing a model on Project Runway ("sorry, that means you're out") and asked, "Are they girlfriends?" No, just saying bye, I replied. "Oh." Perfectly casual. My four-year-old knows that she's allowed to marry a woman someday if she wants.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xo-kizzy-xo.livejournal.com
You know, now that I think of it, that's absolutely true.

Huh.

Must think more about this.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mobobocita.livejournal.com
I'll admit, I haven't had a proper coming out to most of my friends.

One of my friends put it best.....When a girl meets someone for the first time and is straight it's not like she walks up and says HI I like to sleep with MEN! So why on earth would it be natural for me to walk up and announce my sexual orientation?

But I live with my girlfriend, we kiss and hold hands in front of our friends, if they get it, great, if not? Dude, I'm just really...umm...friendly with her. *grin*

I'll admit, I back ended around my mother....gave her the tour of my house, she asked which room I slept in, I said we could talk about that later (I didn't have a CLUE how she'd cope being quite the back waters redneck), a week later she called and said "So, that thing you said we'd talk about later...." I flubbered a lot and she said "You are sleeping with L, SO??? Was there anything Important you needed me to know?" I was quite floored and we've been a merry family ever since.

I'm glad to know I come from good people even if I didn't trust her at first to be.

Date: 2008-09-24 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ithinkitisayit.livejournal.com
Have you ever tried telling him the family knows and loves him anyway?

Date: 2008-09-24 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tommx.livejournal.com
I'm sure you're right. Hopefully she is in a place of dealing with them rather than hiding from them in drugs and alcohol.
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