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When we were in seventh grade, my best friend Elyse and I were obsessed with the miniseries V. More particularly, she was obsessed with Faye Grant (who played Juliet Parish) and I was obsessed with Marc Singer (who played Mike Donovan), all of which meant that people asked Elyse if she was a lesbian a lot while people mocked me flat out -- ugly girls aren't supposed to have budding sexuality; it's too awkward and embarrassing for everyone.

I'm not sure what V meant to us, but it meant a lot. Seventh grade was the year Elyse spent hundreds of dollars in pursuit of the perfect Faye Grant haircut, and it was the year I decided I wanted to be a war reporter when I grew up. It was also the year we became friends with our science teacher, Mr. Krupka.

This is a funny thing, because I know it's the sort of thing that would never happen now. Men are so suspect around children in our climate of fear, and there are so few male teachers anyway, that it's hard for me to imagine a girls' school hiring one.

But be that as it may, Mr. Krupka was our friend because we were good students and he liked V too, and Elyse and I would visit the chem lab during lunch with toy ray guns and play pranks on him. In turn, he'd make show references in class that really were just for us. No one else got it. No one else cared. No one else thought we had any business being anything other than what we were -- ugly twelve-year-olds. Mr. Krupka was different, though, and so was the world of science fiction fandom.

Elyse and I joined a V pen-pal circle. We both wrote from her home as my parents would have pitched a fit (I'd already gotten in scads trouble some months before for obtaining a pen-pal in the British navy through the back page of a gothic music magazine. That was when my father told me all military men were vile and asked me if I wanted to be a whore. I don't like that story. I never wrote back to the boy -- he only wanted to talk about The Cure and my father ripped the letters up; I still I feel guilty about it). No one knew we were twelve, and people drew us fan art.

We wrote fan letters, asked for celebrity autographs and bought Starlog magazine. I eventually discovered the idea of cons, and Elyse got a new good friend who didn't like me because I picked my nose.

In a year or two, we'd gone off to different high schools and a change of venue didn't really improve my social status very much at all. I found new friends, but mostly they didn't like me much or weren't very nice. I was less alone and more miserable than I had ever been, and even in a specialized math and science high school, being a science fiction fan was a bit like wearing a kick me sign to a soccer match.

I didn't get to my first con until university, and when I went, the world upended itself a bit. I went from being at the bottom of the hierarchy to somewhere near the top, just because I was young or thin or could look people in the eye.

It felt great, and like I might one day get to lose my virginity, but it also felt like something I didn't deserve, and I fretted a lot, because it was so easy suddenly to feel like I was better than other people, to feel like I could be one of the monsters from which I'd spent my life hiding.

But attention is addictive, and so is being told you're beautiful, and so it was easy to wear skimpier and skimpier clothes and to engage in awkward conversations with people I didn't like, because it meant that I was good, better even, than someone, somewhere. And if being fannish was still a secret, still a sin in the rest of the world, I didn't care.

All of this, of course, is a pretty common experience. People find a home in science fiction fandom. They find out it's okay to be supposedly atypical on any number of spectrums. Neurological deviations are as common as those of gender or sexuality, appearance or social presentation.

Who talks about coming of age in fandom without remarking on the wonder of being able to make a friend, or get a date or have sex for the first time?

Of course, all things change, especially places of miracle and wonderment. And somewhere between then and now -- and I'll lay this squarely on the doorstep of Peter Jackson and The Lord of the Rings -- it became okay to be a nerd. It became great. We were no longer exiles, and our small pond turned into an ocean where we were very tiny fish.

Some of us thrived in the legitimization of what had sustained us. But others of us found that our awkwardness was no longer as overlooked in the broadening science fiction community or that suddenly, we were no longer the most beautiful girl in the room by the sheer virtue of there finally being other girls in the room. Status started to mean more, became harder fought for, and home meant something else.

Now I, I managed to hold onto my privilege and my shame.

It embarrasses me that I'm prouder of my community today than I was of it fifteen years ago, not because I'm more confident, but because we're more functional, more normal, more mainstream, more typical. This doesn't reflect well upon me, and I know it.

It embarrasses me that when I go to cons as a B- or C- or D- or Z- list celebrity (depends on the con), I feel jealous of the girls who are younger and thinner and dressed in skimpier clothes than me that get invited to all the parties, that get to have drinks with the guys who are actually on the TV. Christ, a lot of them are younger than me now, too. Kids. Beautiful kids.

And it embarrasses me that I'm still too shy to go up to some actor or other and say, "You know, when I was seven years old, your show meant the world to me. Thank you." Or "Hey, I totally get a kick out of your program, thanks."

I should be better. I should be less covetous. I should be grateful that I have a home and a family every day, not just when I'm at cons. But it's not always easy. The wounds of twelve are hard to heal.

Sometimes, though, what shocks me the most is all the ways in which I'm not alone.

Because it used to be that science fiction was the ghetto every actor dreaded winding up in. I mean, just watch Galaxy Quest.

But now David Tennant (back injury aside) is Hamlet, and John Barrowman goes on and on about how much he loves that Jack is the Face of Boe. Battlestar Galactica somehow wound up the most politically relevant (and revered) show on television for a couple of seasons; Heroes and Lost rearranged people's weeks, and if it's an event of a movie, it's probably a science fiction or fantasy flick.

And these actors come to cons and talk about their own fannishness now!

Which means they're just as pathetic as us. Which means we're just as good as them.

It should fix everything.

For some of us, I think it does, more even than the first time we had friends or kissed somebody or paraded down to the pool in a bikini and heels or realized that we really were sexy enough to invite somebody back to our room and get a yes.

But for some of us, it doesn't fix anything, because now we fight and snark over which celebrity paid more attention to who at what con and debate whether a given interaction was sincere or "fan service." We plan how to get attention and make it clear that we only associate with the right sorts of people at cons.

We feel jealous and alone.

We remember not getting asked to prom.

Mr. Krupka was a funny looking man with a wife and a kid who was nice to my friend and I when we were twelve. Maybe he knew how alone we were, and maybe he knew science fiction could save us. Maybe he just had no one else to talk to about the television show he liked. I don't know.

Elyse is, as far as I can tell from Google, a lawyer now and married to a man. She wasn't a lesbian, and I wonder if she even remembers what it was to want to be Juliet Parish and spend all her money on hair care products.

I never became a war reporter or a chemist.

I never wrote back to a British boy on a boat.

And it's been a long time since I was the most beautiful girl in the room at a con.

Mostly, I am grateful. But it is sometimes a beauty of sadness gratitude, that now that we -- the nerds, the freaks, the geeks -- are acceptable, it is perhaps harder for us to be glorious.

The wounds of twelve are hard to heal, and I've lost sleep at night pondering the ways in which the stars we aren't apparently have them too. I have witnessed it in drink and smiles and bashful hope as surely as I've known it in my own envy.

It's a beauty that had I grasped the shape of, I suspect I would not have asked to see.
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Date: 2008-12-12 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nisaa.livejournal.com
Which means they're just as lame as us. Which means we're just as good as them.

*cheers* This piece is awesome. I'm going to link to it so others can see it. I think a lot of people are going to appreciate it.

Date: 2008-12-12 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you! This one was scary to right. We're so protective of our community, and there's this real critical shift in the fandom lately that I'm seeing through this thing where holy crap, the actors are fans too. It's lovely, but it's not always good for us, and I think it's hard to talk about.

Date: 2008-12-12 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redstapler.livejournal.com
I love this.

It's always so frustrating when you write what I feel better than I do. ;)

May I link to this?
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Date: 2008-12-12 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you and sure thing.

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Date: 2008-12-12 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frodo-esque.livejournal.com
What an absolutely wonderful piece, thank you for allowing me to read it. I was never into sci-fi as a kid, and sadly I'm one of those 'mainstream cronies' who came on board after the LOTR movies emerged, however I related very well to the isolation you felt as a kid. My junior high years were traumatic and after I got some therapy I realized how strongly those years continue to influence me today. It's hard to let go of the past because it is during those very important formative years that we develop our identity and sense of self.

Mostly however, as I read your piece I saw that you were human. Emotions such as jealousy and the need for attention are innately a part of your makeup, and hating that part of you will only make it stronger.

Learned that myself the hard way. ;-)

Date: 2008-12-12 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frodo-esque.livejournal.com
Also, I couldn't help but notice your comment about being a B -> Z celebrity at cons. I'm sorry for my ignorance, but from where have you achieved this celebrity status?

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Date: 2008-12-12 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
This is so beautiful, the heart breaking sort of thing at the still point of the turning world.

Date: 2008-12-12 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you. I'm glad I got that in. You have more context for some of what I'm alluding to, and I'm hoping the feeling of it translates for those who a) are not of the fannish/con world or b) aren't in the very weird fandom that is Who/TW and is raising a lot of these issues.

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Date: 2008-12-12 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] these-3-remain.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed this entry, and my goodness, I can relate. Not in particulars (I've never been to con; I'm not very fond of sci-fi) but in the feelings you've described, the good and the bad. Shame, guilt, elation, gratitude.

Thank you.

Date: 2008-12-12 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
THank you, this is good to hear. I didn't know if it would make sense or be interesting to people not of the world in question.

Date: 2008-12-12 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iterum.livejournal.com
I think this is one of your best posts ever.

Date: 2008-12-12 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you. This felt struggly for me, so hey, I made sense! Yay.

Date: 2008-12-12 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
linked and responded to in my lj-- http://kalmn.livejournal.com/254955.html . just as a warning, i am pissed off. not in any way at you, mind you. but your post here triggered it.

Date: 2008-12-12 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Just saw it and very fair. I've also had significant relationship friction leading to demise that was basically like I wasn't a cool enough yuppie to introduce to his friends because I'm a con-goer and costumer, so believe me I know. This was just something about this other ache that's particular and strange in one of the fandoms I'm currently in (the people we're being fans of are fans as well as creators themselves and it's confusing!) that's been niggling at me.

Date: 2008-12-12 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popfiend.livejournal.com
I felt this.

I felt what you wrote and I've felt some of this by living it.

Thank you for sharing and reminding and giving a damn.

Just thanks.

Date: 2008-12-12 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2008-12-12 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smirnoffmule.livejournal.com
I love this.

Date: 2008-12-12 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2008-12-12 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19-crows.livejournal.com
Beautiful.

I could have written some parts of this. My friend and I were obsessed with "The Man from Uncle" and I got my mom to buy me black turtle necks so I could look just like Ilya Kuriyakin. We endlessly acted out each episode and made up our own stories, and I have a lot of nostalgia about that unselfconscious time. Later I felt like everything I did had to be totally original, that it was shameful to do anything that might be seen as unoriginal, and sometimes I feel that way about fanfic, but it's not my thing and I really would rather be generous about what other people get from it.

I'm a second generation fan (from when it was mainly books and movies were juuuuust tolerated) and though science fiction and its relatives weren't as dear to me as they are to you, I was a nerd. Out of the mainstream. "Why are you reading that?" I hated being a nerd and yet, they were/are my people. Every time I'd go to a con there'd be moments when I was squirming with discomfort at other peoples' nerdy behavior; and moments when my eyes would well up because I felt so lucky to belong to this group of funny, smart people. I remember seeing badges that said "To be a fan is a high and lonely thing" and my buddies and I agreed that that was a little sad.

And then Star Wars came along, and suddenly everybody was watching it and there wasn't much shame any more about being a fan of such things. I didn't know how to take that. That was about when what I think of as "fandom" expanded to include fans of all kinds of TV shows and movies, who wanted to act out those things and be those characters. I remember being at a con, in my 20s, where there was a crowd of teenagers who were doing Logan's Run - they were in costumes and would run through the halls chasing each other, then would catch someone and act out scenes from the film. Eventually they fell together in a laughing heap. The old fans were pounding their canes on the floor and ranting about these darn "media fans" who probably never read a book, and here they are taking over our conventions and probably getting us in trouble with the hotel. Must never cause trouble with the hotel because they might throw us out! But I was thinking, you know, it would be kind of fun to be 15 years old and have this way of "innocently" ending up in a pile of bodies next to that guy who have a crush on.

Anyway, I'm 53 now, and I'm not the prettiest girl in the room any more, and fandom is no longer my whole social life. I'm bemused by fandom as it is now, fanfic and all that, and I wonder how different my life would have been if fandom had been the way it is now, when I was 9 or 10.

Date: 2008-12-12 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you.

I was four or five when Star Wars came out and my mom took me to see it and feel asleep in the movie theater as a kid sitting behind us tapped a tunafish sandwich on her head the entire time. I was thinking, as I wrote this, that for a lot of people that was one of the first mainstreamings of fandom, but for me all I remember is that being into Star Wars was considered slightly less embarrassing than being into Star Trek, at least if you had a thing for Han Solo. My problem? I wanted to be Han Solo.
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Date: 2008-12-12 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kasha-g-sahhn.livejournal.com
I don't know how I got to your journal, to this entry in particular, but I'm glad that I did. We are strikingly similar. I was incredibly gawky as a twelve year old, I always felt like the ugly one, I'm still very awkward - too tall and big and drawn out and in the way. Those feelings have dampened somewhat over the years (college helped, and I have a very supportive and loving group of friends), but it never goes away. The wondering, the questioning of self, and self-worth.

I love fantasy and science-fiction because it is an escape, it is different and hopeful and beautiful. I like being someone else for a little while and I like being lost in something completely unreal.

The major difference between us is that I've never been to a Con; the major thing binding us is that pesky, mind-boggling, competitive, stifling and enriching high school experience. Math and science school in NYC? You betcha. Starts with an S and is located somewhere downtownish? Oh, yes.

LJ Friends?

Date: 2008-12-12 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
OH yes! What years were you there? And friend away!
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Date: 2008-12-12 08:13 pm (UTC)
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I've noticed this shift in fannish culture as well. Very well articulated.

Date: 2008-12-12 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thanks. It's been niggling at me -- not the mainstreaming so much, but how we're responding to it and the fact that in terms of how we feel about the product the gap between us and the creators/performers has gotten a lot smaller.

Date: 2008-12-12 08:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleverthylacine
I love this :)

Date: 2008-12-12 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2008-12-12 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mystrys.livejournal.com
This post really touched me in ways I didn't expect. It dug up a lot of memories. I was also a fan of "V". I was really drawn to Diana - I was horrified of her but secretly I wanted to be her. I wanted to be in control of my own destiny. I wanted to bend the world to my will. I wanted to be the one that everyone listened to. It's maybe a good thing that I was so hoplessly not that person.

Ya know, I can relate to how weird it can be to go from being one of the "drama nerds" to being one of the kewl kids at cons. It is wonderfully attractive to flirt with the idea of lording it over others.

A deep, dark secret of mine is that is one reason that I push myself to be a raider in World of Warcraft. I don't really enjoy the hours trapped at a computer with 24 other people wiping constantly but then when I go to a con or hang out with certain friends - I'm a Goddess because I've main healed this or that Dungeon. It's very sad really but I can feel you on being seduced by that fannish sort of accomplishment.

It is one of my fondest memories actually meeting Marc Singer at Dragoncon and getting his autograph. "V" will always have a special place in my heart as one of my first true "Fandoms" although at the time I was made fun of for liking it!!

Thanks for the memories (I think - smiles)

Date: 2008-12-12 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you. I really liked the other evil alien woman on the show. The blonde. What was she "Lydia"? I think, can't recall. I had to go to IMDB just to remember Juliet Parish and Mike Donovan. Surprised me. Should have remembered.

Anyway, thank you for commenting and getting it and sharing it.

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Date: 2008-12-12 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightflashes.livejournal.com
So gorgeous. Your writing style coupled with your introspection in this post really makes it awesome. : )

Date: 2008-12-14 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2008-12-12 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rufus.livejournal.com
ugly girls aren't supposed to have budding sexuality; it's too awkward and embarrassing for everyone.

so is the sexuality of fat girls. or at least, the sexuality that doesn't fall into the catagory of "voracious" or "disinterested." (Or, possibly, "grateful.")

The wounds of twelve are hard to heal

I think that might sum up every socially awkward moment I've ever had, actually, as well as about half of my law school experience so far.

At the start of my junior year abroad, I found the science fiction society during the activities fair. I walked up to the table and said I've been looking all over for you, which was the literal truth, I had heard about them and wanted to find them. Later, when their social whirl had become my world, I realized it had deeper meanings as well. I had a people. I had a tribe. I had been looking all over for them, and I had found them.

ETA: I remember V, mainly because it freaked me out. heh!
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Date: 2008-12-14 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

re: [adjective of choice] girls -- the thing I hate most about being female is the expectation that we're supposed to make everything easy/comfortable for everyone else.

Date: 2008-12-12 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alycewilson.livejournal.com
I liked this, in part because I had some similar experiences. For me, though, it was the Penn State Monty Python Society. It was great to be around other geeks and realize that, with them, I was normal.

Date: 2008-12-14 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Yup! Thank you!

Date: 2008-12-12 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com
I didn't find fandom - despite severe nerd tendencies - until college age, and I sometimes wonder what it would have been like had I done so earlier. I do know that by the time I got there, I loved it, but wished we had higher standards as a people. The emphasis on being accepting of all our fellow nerds was great until it extended to cruelty and encouraged poor socialization. And I was too old or too late or not with the right people, and only briefly brushed the fringes of any celebrities. I didn't love film the way you do, certainly; I was far more overwhelmed by meeting Real Authors.

This did not keep me from squeeing like a fangirl with stars in my eyes when our now-President-elect admitted to owning a comics collection, not one bit.

Date: 2008-12-14 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
The celebrity thing never ceases to be weird, and the more it should be less weird for me because of age and experience and career the goddamn stranger I find it.

Date: 2008-12-13 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skachick-101.livejournal.com
very well said. as a fellow once upon a gawky 12-year old who loved V (...and still does, I have the whole series), I can totally relate.

As a current teacher, I try to find something I can relate to students with every day. Especially the ones who were a lot like me - not very popular with the "in" crowd but very bright and interesting.

Date: 2008-12-14 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you. And I'm glad there are teachers like you out there.

Date: 2008-12-13 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittenboo.livejournal.com
While i have never been a part of fandoms, there really was something about V wasn't there? I was very much interested in it and wanted to be Juliet. I think I was about 10 when it was on.

Date: 2008-12-14 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
There was. And I don't know what, although I remember it was such an event. I think it was something about the 80s and the cold war and expecting the world to be worse and hoping worse is at least more interesting -- that's when we get into war fictions as a society.

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Date: 2008-12-13 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mshades.livejournal.com
I was a huge V fan as well, though I never got into the fandom aspect of it. Hell, if you'd asked, me, I wouldn't have known what "fandom" was at the time. But yes, it made me a huge nerd and I didn't care... *smile*

Date: 2008-12-14 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Heh! Awesome.

Date: 2008-12-13 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
My V experience was entirely solitary, but I did love it. My favorite was Lt. James, because he was a lizard (I'm still very fond of lizards) and because he was Judson Scott from The Phoenix.

I get incredibly envious and slightly bleak reading some of your LJ Idol posts, and this is one of them. I never had any of those kinds of interactions. The first time I got hit on at a con I was 40 or so.

Date: 2008-12-14 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
This one turned out to be so much more melancholy than I thought it was going to be when I started writing it. Fandom keeps getting more complicated for me, not less is part of it.

And I always think of you as younger than me (in a good, spritely way) so this took me aback.

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Date: 2008-12-13 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaellee.livejournal.com
I don't think I know you (though I've been to Gallifrey One for several years, and there's some friends list overlap, which is where I found this post, so it is possible we've been in the same physical building at some point) -- but an excellent post.

And I think the thing is for so many of us, fandom is the place for the part of us that will *always* be twelve years old -- and that has its good side, and its negative side as well.

Date: 2008-12-14 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Face of Boe! (hi, sorry, that's like one of my favorite weird thingsi n TW/DW).

This will be my first Gallifrey One, so we have perhaps not yet been in the same room. Are you going this year? I suspect it will be a bit strange as so many different versions of fandom are going to be colliding there.

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Date: 2008-12-13 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyonessnyc.livejournal.com
I don't think we know each other in RL, but we have friends in common.

I really enjoyed this. There are parts that parallel my own life in so many ways, but I wound up selling my brains out to try to be popular in high school and wound up losing anyway.

But being a geek has served me well professionally, and I and many of the folks on my friendslist have made good livings out of being professional geeks. I bet we've crossed paths at cons and never realized it. I also love that, at cons, it doesn't matter if you've gained some weight or what, people are usually nice to you no matter what you look like...but darn those cute, younger girls who wind up hanging out with the cute stars!

Date: 2008-12-14 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
I've definitely seen you around online, and if you're local I imagine we've crossed paths at Lunacon or something else in the northeast.

The thing is for me is that I could compete with a lot of those girls if I really wanted to or just wore less clothes and shut the fuck up for a change, and it takes everything in me to remember not to. Not my task, not my job, not useful. But the reflex is so eternally strong. I have to remind myself that I feel more maternal to the hot young celebs these days than desirous. It's so fucking peculiar.

Date: 2008-12-13 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nekosensei.livejournal.com
I just wanted to say that some of the things that you said really resonated with me. I wasn't exactly into fandom when I was twelve years old, but I loved science, particularly biology because I loved animals. I really wasn't involved in fandom until quite recently. I've also never been to a con (although I have to admit that Gallifrey One sounds interesting and it would be completely doable since I live in the Chicage area).

Anyhow, I used to get bullied at school a lot starting in fourth grade. Long story short, we moved to a wealthy neighborhood with a good school system. My parents were barely scraping by. I never had any of the nice clothes and and stuff that my classmates had, and they were complete asses about that and other things. My fourth grade teacher never put a stop to it either because she was lazy or because she was intimated by my classmates' parents. My fifth grade teacher tried, but by that point, it had gotten too out of hand. Fourth grade through sophomore/junior year in high school were complete hell for me. So...yeah, I know how it feels to be outside looking in.

Date: 2008-12-14 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Gallifrey One is in LA actually. It's Chicago Tardis that's in Chicago (and tempted me this year because I fucking love Chicago).

I was a not rich kid at a private school, so totally. I didn't have Benetton sweaters and it made the world end over and over again.
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