golem!

May. 11th, 2009 06:12 pm
[personal profile] rm
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/europe/11golem.html

Interesting stuff. But also, golem? Serious business. The idea of it as a souvenir tschotke is a bit disconcerting.

But then I am of the school of "I don't care if we're all supposed to know it's not real, here's a list of stuff you don't mess around with."

Date: 2009-05-11 10:44 pm (UTC)
dipping_sauce: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dipping_sauce
Only slightly related, have you read Why Is This Night Different?

Date: 2009-05-11 10:44 pm (UTC)
marcmagus: Me playing cribbage in regency attire (Default)
From: [personal profile] marcmagus
"...a recent musical starring a dancing Golem..."

I was in Prague in the summer of 2002. Unless I recently threw it out, somewhere around here I have a pamphlet advertising Golem: the Musical. We didn't get a chance to go.

I didn't notice any tschotschkes [as you say, a bit disconcerting], and I think I was happier not knowing about the restaurant.

I'm pleased that, as I read the article, they're still not letting anybody into the attic. I hope nobody's deciding to try to make a new one . . ..

Date: 2009-05-11 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-mad-squirrel.livejournal.com
I'm not even Jewish, and I think that's not something to be messed around with. Maybe it's that I'm Pagan, and I believe you don't trivialize something with such potentially dangerous magic.

Date: 2009-05-11 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] newsbean.livejournal.com
Sucking the power out of things through mass production. Dilution and loss.

Date: 2009-05-11 10:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-11 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
That part of Prague is spooky. I had classes in a building on the top floor and from the windows you could see the cemetery.

Date: 2009-05-11 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovefromgirl.livejournal.com
That'd be like giving out Kali keychains in Mumbai.

Date: 2009-05-12 01:27 am (UTC)
sethg: a petunia flower (Default)
From: [personal profile] sethg
How can it be a souvenir tschotke golem if it doesn't have the Hebrew on the forehead? Even for kitsch, there should be some standards here.

(I also have this vision of silent clay-faced men patrolling the streets, wearing black windbreakers with white GOLEM across the back. You know, kind of like the POLICE jackets they wear when they're doing a bust.)

Date: 2009-05-12 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sykii.livejournal.com
I feel that way about golems too. And you know how in touch with my roots I'm not.

Date: 2009-05-12 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
Wow. VERY creepy story. Highly recommended!

And while I don't BELIEVE in the Golem, and I'm not even Jewish, I'd just as soon be respectful.

Date: 2009-05-12 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipchan.livejournal.com
Is it weird that I'm freaked out by this? Like I know it's not real, but it is! Stories are real! *rant rant runs off into the night*

Date: 2009-05-12 03:51 am (UTC)
ext_3685: Stylized electric-blue teapot, with blue text caption "Brewster North" (*facepalm*)
From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
Yeah, I mean, good that the story is being passed on, but to reduce it to a merchandising opportunity (sort of pre-emptive cultural appropriation)... just, sigh.

Date: 2009-05-12 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipchan.livejournal.com
Yeah it just seems sort of weird. I mean, Prague already has the weird realationship with Kafka, do we really need this?

Date: 2009-05-12 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bodlon.livejournal.com
But then I am of the school of "I don't care if we're all supposed to know it's not real, here's a list of stuff you don't mess around with."

Is there a secret handshake for this? Because dude. There are things I will not touch with a ten meter cattle prod for this very same reason.

Date: 2009-05-12 02:05 pm (UTC)
ext_175410: (hiding)
From: [identity profile] mamadar.livejournal.com
I want in on the secret handshake, yes. I was just reading some poems by Marge Piercy about visiting Prague, which made reading this article that much more creepy.

Date: 2009-05-12 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
Whereas I think it would be in worse taste if it had the letters.

On the whole, I think that if tschotke-izing legends (not central parts of the religion) is an aspect of Judaism becoming a normal part of the non-Jewish world, it's a really small and acceptable price.

Date: 2009-05-12 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
Hell yes. I'm very fond of our ridiculous material culture.

Date: 2009-05-12 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
On that level, golem toys don't bother me at all. I'd suspected that I'm in a middle ground about the amount of weird stuff I believe in with rather few other people, and this is evidence.

Date: 2009-05-12 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipchan.livejournal.com
LOL Then where's my Kafka plush doll?

Date: 2009-05-12 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
A Scream Pillow might tide you over until one turns up.
Edited Date: 2009-05-12 06:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-12 06:24 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-13 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woogledesigns.livejournal.com
"don't mess around with."

Cos of superstition or respect for history?

Date: 2009-05-15 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raaven.livejournal.com
I must admit to a sort of disturbed fascination with golems in general, and the Golem of Prague in particular.

And yeah, it's completely creepy that people are treating it trivially. Feels like poking at a primal force.

Date: 2009-05-15 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Superstition mainly. I get freaked out by people who have the Dark Mark from Harry Potter tattooed on their arms too. Don't mess with stuff!

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