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Date: 2009-08-07 02:30 pm (UTC)Hurray for the tomatoes!
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Date: 2009-08-07 04:34 pm (UTC)you are making me a thinky person today.
Date: 2009-08-07 09:17 pm (UTC)SO, I actually have letters behind my name that say I studied folklore for about 4 years. :D One of the most interesting (and oddly reassuring things) about the discipline is that it's primarily retro-focused and preservationist, and Romantic: it's interested in recovery of what we did in the past, in preservation of things that are disappearing, and in valuing things that are culturally dismissed or devalued.
And nearly the first things it started to study were stories. "Fairy tales," people say dismissively, and yet these little stories persist, in surprisingly CONSISTENT form, for hundreds and hundreds and HUNDREDS of years. Print collections of Chinese tales from the 9th century AD have a *recognizable* version of Cinderella. A tale in the Jatakas, or Buddha birth-stories, dated somewhere between 300 BC and 400 AD, is the same basic story as Chaucer's Pardoner's Tale, written down minimum a THOUSAND years later. Without going into HOW this works (and really, we don't know either, but we think it's really really interesting and have some great ideas on the subject), we know it DOES work. Stories change and grow, but they do so on a basic skeleton that persists like granite, or diamond.
In re digital preservation; as we change from medium to medium, I think that information actually becomes MORE fragile, because we rely on the medium to preserve perfectly, instead of relying on our brains to preserve and then pass on the information, however imperfect. but we don't allow for damage, loss, or outside catastrophe, just assume that somehow, somewhere, these are being kept in memory. To bring that back to your own disciplines, I'd point at the loss of the film archives, as film breaks down and degrades over time, so conserving and preserving becomes a monumental task.
Because we stop interacting with the data, assuming the record is "somewhere," it runs a much greater risk of suddenly being "nowhere," while we have not been Paying Attention.
I go to the museum sometimes and look at the great porcelain from the 1760s, and I think about each step, each action, that had to occur, and not occur for such fragile wares to continue to exist. Everything is vanishing, why do we even try to arrest the process?
Because memories and emotions make us who we are. and because they remind us that even if we, singular, do not persist, we, species, persist and grow. As my old prof Henry Glassie would say, we circle around till we reach the beginning, but we are one level deeper on the spiral.
I went to an exhibit recently at the Asian Art Museum, that was of treasures recovered from Kabul, from separate digs that were basically gotten out of Afghanistan before the Taliban came in and blew everything up.
One half of the exhibit was trade items from the Silk Road: they were uncovering a whole small city, got in past one of the walls of a building, and found an entire room full of small sculptures and luxury items, possibly 2000 years old. Utterly fascinating. And the item I remember most was a glass bowl, sectioned off in five parts. It was textured glass, bright iridescing aquamarine, and had gold leaf gilded into the glass. It looked, I kid you not, like a Pier 1 $20 chips-and-snacks bowl, and was probably about the same size and function. it was pretty, it was functional, and it was 2000 freaking years old. and I looked at it and thought, our ideas of beauty and design and function do not change, at base. And I found that deeply reassuring. We persist. We come round the spiral to the same ideas, one level down, and find we had common ground with the ones who came before us.
It's as close as I get to spirituality, anyway. :D
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Date: 2009-08-07 10:34 pm (UTC)No one actually takes RPS seriously, right?
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Date: 2009-08-07 10:41 pm (UTC)There's also a book called Starf*ckers that is pro, published RPS. FWIW.
I'm only at all cagey about it, because of what I do for a living. I've run across RPS about people I know well (and in one case, had to stop myself from mailing the author to say, "man you nailed [redacted], he is exactly that much of a dick in RL" because it seemed inappropriate even though the dude pisses me off) or grew up with, and that's always a little weird. And stuff about people I know in professional passing is slightly strange as well. And since I could know anyone in professional passing at any time, sometimes I'm a little more neurotic about it than others, but really, I think it's totally a valid literary pursuit.
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Date: 2009-08-08 08:10 pm (UTC)I actually happened to read some RPS fiction about people I know. Mostly, it was written so bad you couldn't but laugh at it, and once, it was send to me by the very person it was written about, and we laughed together. :) Still, RPS was a squick for me. DW/TW fandom changed my mind on many of my previous squicks, including RPS. Now, I'm even writing it myself - the process feels actually the same as fanfiction, writing around the small hints and details from interviews and biographies, using them as a canon. But I feel unsure about posting it anywhere, because I'm still of two minds on this genre being acceptable...
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Date: 2009-08-08 08:13 pm (UTC)http://www.amazon.com/Starf-cker-Shar-Rednour/dp/1555835163/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249762345&sr=8-5
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Date: 2009-08-08 03:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-08-08 04:36 am (UTC)Also, meant to say, it gives me a huge grin that you are growing Green and Red Zebra. I love how all those old wacky tomato varieties have come back into favour.