Anyway. So Buffy loses her virginity. This pair of episodes was odd. I thought the first one wasn't that good and was making me squirm the way these sorts of episodes always do (I didn't lose my virginity until college, it wasn't a straight forward situation and I don't really have much love for long, drawn out, "am I ready?" and "it'll be so beautiful" stuff. This shit punches the buttons of my inner 17-y-o in a way I don't enjoy.
But, the second of the two episodes was Really Good. I mean, other than the Gypsy!fail and all the other fuckery going on. I laughed my ass off when Buffy's mom was all "you look different," because doesn't every teen worry about that? And I thought Giles was so awesome with Buffy at the end. I felt like you could really see this sense of the teen he had been and the way his own obligations had broken his heart at that age. Loved it to pieces.
And then, hey, Oz is a werewolf!
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Date: 2010-02-07 09:40 pm (UTC)Of course, as lolarious as it is, at least it's a portrayal of gypsies in the media, right? That's something.
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Date: 2010-02-07 11:58 pm (UTC)Although I think I get what you mean, I'm forced to disagree as a part Romani person who is particularly sensitive to popular stereotypes of the ethnicity, especially in the media.
If you were to ask the average Westerner to name a few qualities that they generally associate with Romani culture, they're pretty much taken from the 98% bullsh*t depictions they've seen in movies and tv.
I would much prefer it if writers as usually smart and sensitive as Joss Whedon refrained from reinforcing stereotypes about my ethnic background that cause people to rib me with jokes about "putting curses on them" and "where's your wagon?!"
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Date: 2010-02-07 09:56 pm (UTC)Okay, that is just...what? *boggle*
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Date: 2010-02-07 09:56 pm (UTC)At the time (I was 12-13) I liked the way the Buffy's virginity thing was handled... except the fact that she was punished for having sex at all. There are a number of conflicting messages when it comes to Joss and sex and I don't think I've managed to suss them all out yet, after over ten years of having been a fan.
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Date: 2010-02-07 10:27 pm (UTC)Because Buffy has been described as "High School as a Horror Movie," I can understand that one. It's a huge fear for girls in high school, that you'll be pressured into sex, that you'll be dumped if you don't have sex, that you'll be discarded if you do...
But... it would be easier if other cast members had clearer situations so you got some sense of how it worked out differently in different situations.
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Date: 2010-02-07 11:58 pm (UTC)Sex is bad. This is implied through the series and flat-out stated in Angel, with everyone saying "We KNEW that."
("Sexbots are hot" and "All vampires are gay" is secondary)
Buffy/Angel is every woman's nightmare: you have sex and he changes. He used to like you, now he's horrible to you.
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Date: 2010-02-07 10:07 pm (UTC)I once wrote "I want to be the kind of lover Oz was. Except for the whole turning-into-a-ravening-werewolf thing." His human side? Very sensitive. Would only eat Willow in the good way. *floats off to happy place*
...was I saying something?
Best of the good luck with your new cat.
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Date: 2010-02-07 10:39 pm (UTC)This one only has spoilers through season 2, so you should be up to it soon:
cadhla.livejournal.com/476123.html#cutid1
This one has spoilers through Season 2 episode 17, but they're really important spoilers, so Patti, don't let her read it till then. :)
www.tdsos.com/darkerside/seanan/romano.html
This one is season 6, so you've got a while:
cadhla.livejournal.com/421539.html
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Date: 2010-02-07 10:41 pm (UTC)You have to imagine my reaction the first time I saw it. I think I might have been 17.
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Date: 2010-02-07 10:51 pm (UTC)Yes, Whedon does have a lot issues in terms of the way he deals with certain groups (there's even more criticism to be had in the later seasons), and to be honest I think he can be a bit of an egomaniac, but by and large he is a really good storyteller.
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Date: 2010-02-07 11:20 pm (UTC)Must. Control. Fist. Of. Death.
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Date: 2010-02-07 11:34 pm (UTC)I hope Claudette gets to come home to you. You are probably going to groan (because you've gotten more advice than you are ever going to need) but did the shelter give you any information about how to introduce a second cat into your household?
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Date: 2010-02-08 12:01 am (UTC)I've got to say, though, by season 6, I was Team Spike all the way simply because I find his type of whiny and angsty far less annoying than Angel's; not to mention that I usually find James Marsters a far superior actor to David Boreanaz and he's just far less 2 dimensional.
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Date: 2010-02-08 12:53 am (UTC)It's not just me then. Someone else articulated the other thing about this that doesn't work for me, and that's why an ages-old vampire would want to date a valley girl. (I get the youth and innocence thing in Dracula too, and Buffy's a slayer, but, you know.)
I'm another pro-Spike person. Because at least Spike is immaturely angsty in the same way Buffy is. :D
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Date: 2010-02-08 12:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-02-08 04:58 am (UTC)/snark
//I did a couple of their summer programs. It was an excellent experience, on which I look back fondly!
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Date: 2010-02-08 03:18 am (UTC)*snerk*
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