You know, when I was a kid I had intensely overprotective parents. But at the same time, no one had a cell phone. No one had a laptop that was being used to spy on you and partof growing up was learning about lying -- how to get away with stuff ("I couldn't find a payphone.") and the very real consequences of lies when you got busted. Maybe less sneaky kids will make better business leaders. On the other hand, maybe less sneaky kids just produces a generation that expects to be policed into utter conformity. I don't know, but it sure does make me nervous (an aside: is Buffy the last teen-focused show that was a big hit where kids get away with stuff because everyone doesn't have a mobile?).
You know, when I was a kid I had intensely overprotective parents. But at the same time, no one had a cell phone. No one had a laptop that was being used to spy on you and partof growing up was learning about lying -- how to get away with stuff ("I couldn't find a payphone.") and the very real consequences of lies when you got busted. Maybe less sneaky kids will make better business leaders. On the other hand, maybe less sneaky kids just produces a generation that expects to be policed into utter conformity. I don't know, but it sure does make me nervous (an aside: is Buffy the last teen-focused show that was a big hit where kids get away with stuff because everyone doesn't have a mobile?).
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:13 pm (UTC)Yup, someone I know who is of necessity a relatively frequent patron is hoping the Walgreens sale might result in some better customer service at the dispensary counter...but isn't optimistic.
I'd heard about the Big Brother laptops, but not about the sexting story. Good grief.
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:18 pm (UTC)"My cell phone is out of batteries"
I know kids who would store formulae in their fancy graphing calculators, rather than memorizing them. I have trouble doing research online sometimes, because the useful information gets buried under a flood of papers-for-sale. When the school computers didn't allow the AIM program, people figured out and passed around the in-browser version.
Facebook is banned at every high school I've ever known. And at every high school I've ever known, kids have figured out how to get past that ban, and told each other. My sophomore year of high school, one of the actually computer-savvy seniors went ahead and hacked every computer in the library so that he could download firefox onto them.
My mom has friends who have grounded their kids because the kids were stupid enough to post about getting smashed in unlocked LJ posts. My favourite math teacher in high school came in one day and read aloud from a print-out of a students MySpace "I totally cheated on Mr. Smith's test". One of the girls in the drama club outed a (straight) boy and caused a total shitstorm that ended in the girl deleting her journal.
I am currently taking a computer course that I hate, but it's about how computers exist and teachers need to know how they work. We talk a lot about how to keep students off the websites that could get us fired, or arrested or worse.
Part of growing up is still learning how to lie, and how to get away with stuff. We just have to come up with more complex lies, and learn how to delete our browser history and set private our facebooks. I myself have livejournal filters that my mom's not on, and a secondary name for use on the internet when Sorcy hits too close to home. The state of childhood hasn't changed, just what tools we get to use.
~Sor
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:18 pm (UTC)Motherfucker set his own house on fire before getting on the plane. 100 bucks says he's not gonna get labeled a terrist 'cause he's white.
I will be pleasantly surprised if this is not the case.
ETA: this is all about a mile northwest of where I am sitting. The smoke's drifting down past my window, actually.
I've bypassed scared entirely and just gone straight to spitting mad.
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:32 pm (UTC)My first thought was that this guy must be losing his house and totally lost his shit. (His wife was inside, and the local news is reporting a neighbor pulled her out of the burning home.) :/
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:34 pm (UTC)http://embeddedart.com/
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:38 pm (UTC)Re: the girl arrested for doodling. So, before Columbine, adults ignored violently unbalanced teens, and thought that letting kids fend for themselves against said violently unbalanced teens was a Wonderful Character-Building Experience. After Columbine, they presume every student is a violently unbalanced teen?
I can see some of zero tolerance as a means of avoiding being accused of favoritism by parents, but I also wonder if it is also a sign of how much Columbine (and later, 9/11) were such profound shocks to American society that paranoia has arisen as a coping mechanism.
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:40 pm (UTC)i don't even
Date: 2010-02-18 06:42 pm (UTC)oh okay
Also I like how he bawls about being so poor and downtrodden and then torches a $230+k house and GETS INTO HIS PRIVATE PLANE. Really tugs at the heartstrings.
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:42 pm (UTC)My local news is talking about that blog entry now.
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Date: 2010-02-18 06:57 pm (UTC)They trusted me, so there was no harm done, right?!
And generally speaking I never got into too much trouble that I couldn't get a cab out of it.
It also helps to have older siblings, but that's the privilege of being the youngest in the family.
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Date: 2010-02-18 07:04 pm (UTC)I'm the youngest of five, but only lived with my next-oldest sibling.
For whatever reason--his popularity, the fact he was a boy, the fact he was a 6'2 boy--I never felt I had the same reign of freedom he did.
I really didn't start pushing the limits of the rules until I was almost through with high school.
That isn't to say I didn't kick up shenanigans when I was younger, it just necessitated sleeping at a friend's house.
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Date: 2010-02-18 07:06 pm (UTC)If nothing else, vandalism is a crime
I don't even know how to respond to the stuff about the sexting case and the whole "boys will be boys" attitude. If MY boys were involved with that, I'd have Very Strong Words With Them.
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Date: 2010-02-18 07:10 pm (UTC)I'm the youngest of four and also only lived with my next-oldest brother, my other sibs are sisters.
He is a very protective brother, but I could rely on him to pick me up if I was in trouble (which happened only twice, thank god, one time my dad came along and that was mortifying).
And dittoy on the sleeping at friends. Many shenanigans were had in that way :)
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Date: 2010-02-18 07:32 pm (UTC)I think you may be right about Buffy being the last pre-cell teen show. The teen show that was on when I was in high school was Twin Peaks, and that would've turned out much differently if they'd had phones.
I get really sick of people trying to impose their values on other people's children. I try to make what little difference I can on a local level, but it feels like swimming upstream.
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Date: 2010-02-18 07:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-02-18 08:44 pm (UTC)donation made!
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Date: 2010-02-18 09:12 pm (UTC)Mostly, I suspect, because my parents are the age of most of my friends' grandparents (now 87 and 76, respectively), so they were just doubly naive.
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Date: 2010-02-18 09:21 pm (UTC)You're going to pay for my unemployment, right? Cuz reading that just caused my head to explode so I'm not going to be able to work anymore.
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Date: 2010-02-18 10:20 pm (UTC)\O/
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Date: 2010-02-18 10:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-02-18 11:22 pm (UTC)Re: i don't even
Date: 2010-02-18 11:52 pm (UTC)Re: i don't even
Date: 2010-02-19 01:12 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-02-19 06:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-02-19 06:44 am (UTC)Truly, this guy was disturbed. He was depressed. He likened himself to the same people who threw themselves from office windows when the great depression hit, and I can kind of see that. The huge difference is that this guy probably took some other people down with him, which is unforgivable.
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Date: 2010-02-19 03:25 pm (UTC)Also good news: contrary to earlier speculation, his wife and kid weren't in the house when he torched it; they'd spent the night somewhere else.
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Date: 2010-02-19 04:03 pm (UTC)no subject
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