sundries - help fund a liver transplant, assist a commuter cat, and argue about stories
So a fandom auction is stepping in to help Deb, her wife (Laurie J. Marks, author of the Elemental Logic series, the Children of the Triad series, The Watcher's Mask, and Dancing Jack, and guest of honor at WisCon 31) and her brother. The auction will open for bidding on May 1, but right now we need people to offer things to bid on! Please visit
First and foremost, it's okay to like people, places and things that make mistakes. I find some episodes of Buffy really, really sexist; I also still like the show. If nothing else, it gave more work to female actors than most primetime television shows and its sexism, when in evidence, comes from a different place and created, and continues to create, a really different conversation. The show also contains racefail and a lot of queer moments that bug me specifically because the tenor of them is so ten years ago. I can see all of this, and be made angry by all of this, and talk about all of this, and challenge all of this, and still like the show.
Secondly, I get that I wasn't there at the time, and that it was the dawn of Internet fandom and that the Buffy creative team was ridiculously accessible. But I've never met Joss Whedon, and so I'm not, unlike most of fandom, on a first name basis with him. I'm also discomforted by the idea that he can do no wrong. All storytellers fall down somewhere for someone. That's the nature of stories. They exist in the cracks. That's okay too.
Thirdly, as another LJ'er rightly pointed out re: my Buffy rage, and as I've often said about certain things that transpired in Torchwood: Children of Earth, writers are not (necessarily) their characters. That said, sometimes the realism of sexism, racism and homophobia reads clearly as "character saying something uncool because of character's personal attitudes" and sometimes it doesn't. I can criticize what appears to be a show or episode's agenda in this fashion without being confused on that writer/character point. This gets back to stories and how successful they are. It's worth noting that I am actually on effectively different sides of this argument re: Buffy than I am re: Children of Earth and my opinions in both cases are legitimate in that they are a) my feelings and b) come from an informed pop-culture place. Other people's opinions, which may be in direct opposition, are also legitimate for those same reasons.
It's okay for stories to make us angry.
In case you haven't read it, this is part of Valerie's letter, which is a critical, central element in both the film and the original graphic novel.
"After the takeover, they started rounding up the gays. They took Ruth while she was out looking for food. Why are they so frightened of us? They burned her face withcigarettes and made her give them my name. She signed a statement saying I'd seduced her. I didn't blame her. God, I loved her but I didn't blame her.
But she did. She killed herself in her cell. She couldn't live with betraying me, with giving up that last inch. Oh, Ruth.
They came for me. They shaved off my hair. They held my head down a toilet and told lesbian jokes. They brought me here and pumped me full of chemicals. I can't feel my tongue. I can't speak. It is strange that my life should end in such a terrible place but for three years I had roses and apologized to nobody.
I shall die here. Every inch of me shall perish... Except one. An inch. It is small and fragile and it's the only thing in the world that's worth having. We must never lose it or sell it or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.
I don't know who you are but I hope you escape this place. I hope that the world turns and things get better and that one day people have roses again.
I don't know who you are but I love you. I love you. Valerie."
I first read V for Vendetta when I was 17. It remains, fundamentally, one of the only relatively mainstream pop-culture stories that includes queer women in a way that doesn't involve soft focus lighting and the suggestion that we don't really fuck or fight.
So this is me, being unable to articulate my rage. I'm used to people taking my rights. My stories though? How dare you?
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I love that. They also have to have cracks or holes so the viewer/reader can enter in and exist in that world.
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There are a lot of people who look at me sideways when my daughter starts quoting bits of Buffy. I still maintain it's one of the best young female role models available in contemporary media, precisely because the show addresses so many issues faced by kids on a regular basis. I like that not only do the characters make (and learn from) mistakes, but so do the writers.
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Even Homer nods.
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2) Stabbing . . . Awful. Just awful.
3) Joss. Yeah, he makes me furious. A lot. And I'm the same boat in that I really enjoyed the show (and really enjoyed Firefly and Dr. Horrible), but he's got issues I think with women (and men moreso that women), and tends to flaunt his Women's Studies degree as a reason for why he should be exempt from criticism in this area.
At least the issues that he bring up make me angry in a way that's somewhat complex, and one might be able to give him the benefit of the doubt in saying that perhaps that was the intended response? Though since so many of the same issues are presented over and over . . . it tends to be more tiresome than thought-provoking.
On balance though, I still like his work.
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One was part of a five-campus system, so we had constant interaction with male students.
The other was surrounded by barbed wire in the middle of the nastiest part of Oakland.
Guess which one I fled screaming into the night from?
You get a bunch of college-age women together and isolate them long enough and it makes Lord of the Flies look like a nursery rhyme by comparison.
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Re: Joss, I recall being alone in some very nasty debates regarding Buffy in which I said, that yes it's ground breaking and I love it, but it's very normative in it's values and ethics. It doesn't really stray away from the notion of Good and Evil being sublime to humanity - yes, here and there, but not by much and certainly not thematically, imo. I hated Xander. Always have and possibly always will (I haven't read the comics, but I plan to) and I always felt that the characters (and narrative) judged Buffy so harshly I was going insane. Season 6 fixed that for me in certain ways, but still...
I get your anger. It's a good anger. Stories should move us and not coddle us.
As for V for Vendetta. We've spoken about what that story means to us. I've discussed how much the book affected me and how much I thought the movie was an interesting take though different focus to the story.
I gasped is horror at that story you linked.
Valerie's story kept me alive during a bad time.
Fuck that shit! God damnit!
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I agree completely. I'll never understand why Xander gets so much love from fandom. There are maybe a couple of moments where I like him, but they don't make up for his usual judgementalness. As for the characters/narrative (often enough through Xander) judging Buffy, It's been a while since I've watched the show, but I specifically remember the beginning of S3 making me so angry. There's having to stay connected, with friends, with humanity in general, but she's a teenage girl with a huge burden and responsibility, who had to make this terrible decision after living through some rather traumatising experiences, so IMO she absolutely did not deserve this kind of treatment. Or Xander's reaction about her breaking up with Riley. In all seriousness, the endless moralising of this show drove me crazy sometimes.
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You can only fight back with more and better stories, more and better uses of the stories that are out there, with a stronger and more vibrant fan community. I have no doubt that we are well equipped to fight back in this way!
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PS: Was just looking through the Wikipedia entry on Fawkes to remind my old brain what's history and what's comics, and ran across this: "Fawkes ... was placed under arrest, and his possessions searched. He was discovered to be carrying a pocket watch, matches, and torchwood."
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Dear gods. It is my sincere hope that the people responsible for this idea and the many ideas like it get to gradually watch the US become the sort of free and humane nation that utterly horrifies them and that their descendants find perfectly normal and reasonable. This is what Culture War is all about.
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In order to have the character learn, the character starts from a place of ignorance. Thus the challenge of the writer is to start the character as ignorant and still be attractive to hold the reader/viewer. The same thing goes for any arc of self-improvement: sexist to non-sexist, racist to non-racist.
Another dramatic demand is that things go badly for the main character. The worse their lives become, the more we feel for them. So at the end of Season Two, Buffy has killed her boyfriend and been kicked out of her house by her Mom and lied to by Xander (an issue rarely addressed) and of course she didn't deserve any of it. If she deserved it, we wouldn't feel bad for her. I'm trying to remember if she left Sunnydale at the end of S2; I know she started S3 in LA (and one of my favorite episodes from a purely kick ass "I'm Buffy. The Vampire Slayer. And you are?" point of view). If she left Sunnydale at the end of S2, that's a great cliff hanger.
But I have to admit, I'm a little puzzled by the idea of "BtVS" as sexist. How many shows are more feminist than "Buffy"?
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What makes the negative comments about the show interesting is that usually when people are dissing a TV show, movie, or book, they haven't read or watched much of it. In this case, people have, and wow, it makes a world of difference in the quality of the arguments.
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