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Date: 2010-08-17 02:14 pm (UTC)According to NCLR, this means that all briefings must be in by Nov 1 and all oral arguments heard by Dec 6, and that while the 9th Circuit Court is not under any specific deadline for ruling after that, apparently having an expedited schedule like this means they're unlikely to sit on it too long.
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Date: 2010-08-17 02:15 pm (UTC)I know that is speedy by these standards, but it's still sucky and sad.
On the other hand, good that they are stepping in, or else this would affect CA and nowhere else.
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Date: 2010-08-17 02:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 02:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 02:46 pm (UTC)And it is still sucky and sad that it's getting dragged out longer, especially for people who'd hoped to be able to marry last week or this week. While it may prove better on a national scale that it plays out this way in the long run, that doesn't stop it sucking in the short run.
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Date: 2010-08-17 02:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 02:48 pm (UTC)I especially liked when she wrote, "The people who can look at a piece of art — or, hell, TV or pop music, those work too — and can only classify it as Oppressive or Subversive, or located at a greater or lesser degree of “problematic”-ness, according to current theories of what is or is not problematic. The lack of original thought, or of aesthetic judgment, is creepy: It suggests that we’re approaching this all like math, like a standardized test to which there are right or wrong answers, rather than as art, or (preferably) life, where what matters is not just your conclusion, but how you got there."
Again, I am so guilty of that. On the other side, it's nice to suddenly have the tools and the language to explain why something feels icky. The lazy part is when it's all you use.
The Tila Tequila thing: OH GOD HORRIFIC. First off, Juggalos are known for acting like Neanderthals. In fact, that's an insult to our early man ancestors.
Secondly, someone very cogently (with a side of victim blamey) said in another discussion of the situation: "While she was on stage and putting up with the abuse, it is kind of a mutual thing. I remember a punk show or two where the performers came off stage sporting a few cuts and bruises. But the second she left that stage she should have been in a secure zone and safe to her trailer, and from her trailer to her car." (source)
In that thread is some discussion of Woodstock 2 and how crowd control at these sorts of events, featuring these sorts of acts, are hot beds of violence, misogyny, and bad times all around.
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Date: 2010-08-17 02:51 pm (UTC)(I hasten to say that I think there's nothing wrong with watching TV. It just doesn't seem to engage me beyond very rare moments)
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Date: 2010-08-17 03:12 pm (UTC)Which, roughly translates as "Please explain to the court, using very small words, why you are wasting its time with this."
I'd far rather there be small careful steps that block any possible loophole for opponents than a giant leap forward that leaves a big opening for appeal.
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Date: 2010-08-17 03:33 pm (UTC)I'm still in the middle of a long, hard project to de-academicize my writing. For example, I stopped using the word "privilege" a few years ago. I don't talk about that choice a lot, and I would never argue that everyone should do the same. It's just a choice that's happened to work for me.
If I need to use the term, instead of following my first reaction to use the word "privilege", I actually take a few sentences to type out the exact specifics of what I mean. Often, those sentences are quite different from case to case, which leads me to believe that the word "privilege" tends to obscure some very important nuances when overused.
There are a lot of words like that...
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Date: 2010-08-17 05:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 05:26 pm (UTC)None of which excuses the crowd, of course; throwing things like rocks and bottles (not to mention waste products) is never acceptable. But Tequila has a record of exaggerating or even fabricating incidents in order to get sympathy, and she was already talking lawsuit before she made it back to LA; I doubt that she'd win, although the prospect of seeing Tequila vs. Shaggy J in a courtroom might make me watch against my better impulses.
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Date: 2010-08-17 05:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 05:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 05:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 06:17 pm (UTC)And maybe just because I'm a self-important bastard, but I kind of think if you're doing it right, this kind of thing is a given. Because I know I do it.
So you aren't alone.
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Date: 2010-08-17 06:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 06:19 pm (UTC)You haven't watched trainwreckian TV until you've seen "The Real Housewives of NJ".
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Date: 2010-08-17 06:24 pm (UTC)In the end, both of us, I'd like to think, are being the best people we can be online and off. There are going to be times when the words don't match the deeds or where things are just FUBAR online and off, but the effort is there and we're starting from the right places. All it means is that we are human and while being human sucks sometimes, we can't do more than that.
There are times when it is easy and times when it's hard, but as long as I'm being me and me isn't such a bad thing. It's cool. Same goes for you.
Apologies in advance, but I am a sap and I hug, so I'm going to *hug* you now.
*hug*
Hey, it's what I do. And I do it pretty well. :D
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Date: 2010-08-17 06:44 pm (UTC)[Note: everything I've read says she took her top off in response to the crowd chanting "take off your top", and that the violence *increased* when she did so.]
[Note 2: you've cut yourself while shaving worse than that gash in her forehead that's plastered all over TMZ? I've had some unpleasant shaving mistakes, but never anything requiring stitches. I did gash my forehead open much like that, requiring about 8 stitches; it was a completely different sort of injury.]
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Date: 2010-08-17 07:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 07:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 07:27 pm (UTC)The thing was that when last season ended on that note I was certain Danielle couldn't be back and that they couldn't do another season and it couldn't get worse.
Wrong on EVERY single count.
I may think too highly of humanity. :D
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Date: 2010-08-17 07:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 07:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 08:10 pm (UTC)2) Still looks like a wound which requires stitches to me, but head wounds are kind of notorious for being deceptive in both directions (mine never bled, for instance).
So your point as I read it is that you believe TT to be exaggerating or even fabricating this incident, that her injuries are not as bad as they're being reported to be, that she was asking for it with her actions, and that, while people shouldn't throw rocks and shit at performers, these details are important to note in response to "what the fuck with the throwing rocks?" Is that an accurate assessment?
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Date: 2010-08-17 08:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 08:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-17 08:51 pm (UTC)I've spent the past year and a half, much of it obsessively, trying to navigate between truth, virtue, and my own experience, and I am screamingly sick of the whole claustrophobic thing.
I hang onto the idea that living well with people is a goal worth pursuing, that the anti-racist/anti-sexism conversation has a medium-sized piece of it but no more than that, and the game isn't nearly over yet.
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Date: 2010-08-17 09:21 pm (UTC)shortshirt* that costs $45,000, which may have caused me to suffer a mild stroke because CHRIST ONNA POGO STICK WTF?!?* A shirt, not shorts, which would be even more lunatic.
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Date: 2010-08-17 09:25 pm (UTC)I don't know enough about German politics or law to know the answers to the obvious questions. (Such as, why only inheritance tax and not income tax in the ruling? Is income tax equality likely soon, or is Volker Beck just saying it should be? Is Gleichstellung just a question of taxes or other rights? What do you call Gleichstellung in English, anyway?)
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Date: 2010-08-17 10:09 pm (UTC)That said, I can't think of a case offhand where standing has been quite this complicated in the 9th. When I was taking civil procedure classes, I read a lot of cases and motions, but few of them were appellate.
Though I agree with firefly_124, I think it's more likely that this particular case will lose on standing and thus apply only to California than it will offer standing and go all the way to the supremes in a way that's meaningful for LGBT rights for the entire country.
Of course, if the proponents lose on standing in the 9th, they can appeal to the supremes, and that may lead to a more general ruling. Let's just hope it's in the favor of equal rights if that happens.
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Date: 2010-08-17 10:59 pm (UTC)Because of my job, my colleagues can be expected to be quite above the norm in intelligence. Yet I've heard from a huge number of them, "You don't seem like an only child..."
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Date: 2010-08-17 11:55 pm (UTC)I'm sorry there's a stay, but I'd be more sorry if there weren't and the marriages performed in the interim were voided if the decision were reversed. That's a whole different level of suck. I also have no reason to doubt that the Ninth Court is going to legitimize and strengthen Judge Walker's awesome ruling while dealing a blow to the notion that unaffected parties can appeal rulings.
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Date: 2010-08-18 01:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-18 03:16 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-18 07:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-08-18 07:10 am (UTC)Sometimes, this isn't fun anymore.
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Date: 2010-08-19 12:49 am (UTC)And that's a sweet, sweet jacket.