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I know someone has to be working on the compromise angle. I know that something is better than nothing, but wow, do I resent the New York Times telling me what should be "good enough" for me as a queer person.

I hate the gay marriage debate so much I don't even know where to start. It's just non-stop awful, overshaodws other critical issues for queer people and yet has symbolic primacy in terms of how we are perceived by the broader world. It's a fucking mess.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/opinion/22rauch.html


Meanwhile, I have cold and feel utterly like crap.

Date: 2009-02-22 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] argentla.livejournal.com
I hate the phrase "the gays" almost as much as I hate "the homosexuals."

Being queer but not gay, I also resent it, but that's not why I loathe it. I hate it for the same reason I hate when people refer to women as "females."

Date: 2009-02-22 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
It's rather livestock-y isn't it?

Date: 2009-02-22 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] demotu.livejournal.com
Yes - especially because it's not exclusively gays or even homosexuals who want same-sex marriage (which is what we referred to it as in Canada - it's really weird to me that the US walks around saying "gay marriage!", but maybe we're just oddly PC.)

Date: 2009-02-22 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] argentla.livejournal.com
maybe we're just oddly PC

No need to apologize for living in a civilized country. ;P

Date: 2009-02-23 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
There isn't? Sorry!

Date: 2009-02-22 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smirnoffmule.livejournal.com
It's not PC, it's just more accurate, IMHO, since being in same-sex relationship doesn't serve to make me any gayer.

Date: 2009-02-22 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] demotu.livejournal.com
Precisely.

ETA: But that kind of fluidity in sexuality is probably beyond the comprehension of most of the people speaking loudly against it.
Edited Date: 2009-02-22 08:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-02-22 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smirnoffmule.livejournal.com
It just makes me think of a Little Britain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YHbTjpjUEI) sketch. All the import is rather undone if I can only picture it said by Matt Lucas in hot pants with a faux-Welsh accent.

Date: 2009-02-22 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hexkitten.livejournal.com
I apologize for my complete ignorance. What's the difference between being gay and being queer?

Date: 2009-02-22 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalsidhe.livejournal.com
*raises hand* I'm bisexual, over here. Queer, but not gay.

Date: 2009-02-23 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shipchan.livejournal.com
Plus being queer can also mean trans.

Date: 2009-02-23 12:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ophymirage.livejournal.com
"Queer" is often understood as a 'catchall' term covering lesbian, bisexual, gay, transgender, and other identities.

it's easier to self-identify as 'queer' than as 'bisexual with strong lesbian leanings who's also a "perv"'.

Date: 2009-02-23 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] manycolored.livejournal.com
I like "queer." I guess in classified ads, I'd be "bi-curious" but that seems to have so much baggage and doesn't even begin to cover how I do my gender!

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