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prop 8
8 upheld, but existing marriages still legal.
Because 18,000 gay marriages won't destroy civilization but equal rights will?
The entire situation, that this is even something we're debating as a nation, is so completely irrational, I kinda can't deal with it. It is only rational if the debate is framed thusly: "are gay people human?" and until people who are anti-equal marriage are willing to make the assertion that gay people are not, in fact, human and as such should not be allowed to enter into any legal contract or business relationship, I have even less than zero patience for their arguments.
Say what you mean and mean what you say. Even if I find your personal "deeply held beliefs" bigoted and offensive, I'm peripherally willing to acknowledge you as a thinking person if you at least have the nerve and the intellect to stand by what you really mean.
And if you tell me, "well, no, I do think gay people are human but it just shouldn't be called marriage" or some other half-assed "compromise"? Intellectually weak. Examine your shit and choose a side. Either hold your nose and advocate for calling it marriage despite your discomfort, because gays are human, DESPITE YOUR DISCOMFORT, or go join the camp that says I'm not.
THIS IS NOT A COMPROMISE ISSUE.
Perhaps I'll be rational later. Oh wait, this is being rational. It is rational to be outraged. It is rational to be angry. We shouldn't have to live like this.
Because 18,000 gay marriages won't destroy civilization but equal rights will?
The entire situation, that this is even something we're debating as a nation, is so completely irrational, I kinda can't deal with it. It is only rational if the debate is framed thusly: "are gay people human?" and until people who are anti-equal marriage are willing to make the assertion that gay people are not, in fact, human and as such should not be allowed to enter into any legal contract or business relationship, I have even less than zero patience for their arguments.
Say what you mean and mean what you say. Even if I find your personal "deeply held beliefs" bigoted and offensive, I'm peripherally willing to acknowledge you as a thinking person if you at least have the nerve and the intellect to stand by what you really mean.
And if you tell me, "well, no, I do think gay people are human but it just shouldn't be called marriage" or some other half-assed "compromise"? Intellectually weak. Examine your shit and choose a side. Either hold your nose and advocate for calling it marriage despite your discomfort, because gays are human, DESPITE YOUR DISCOMFORT, or go join the camp that says I'm not.
THIS IS NOT A COMPROMISE ISSUE.
Perhaps I'll be rational later. Oh wait, this is being rational. It is rational to be outraged. It is rational to be angry. We shouldn't have to live like this.
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Upholding the rights of a few to maintain their marriages is the tiny shred of silver tinsel in this huge ugly thunderstorm.
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I am so embarrassed by my state right now.
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I can't convey to you how sorry I am about this.
Now I need to know how best to lend my efforts to knock Prop 8 over, because I think the will of the people will change.
Re: I can't convey to you how sorry I am about this.
Re: I can't convey to you how sorry I am about this.
We're getting there, but this was a big step back.
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THIS.
THIS.
THIS.
THIS.
THIS.
THIS.
damnit
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The idea being that deeply held beliefs should anything to do with this decision is simply nonsense. Beliefs are not law.
Separate is NOT EQUAL.
People deserve equal rights whether they are gay, bi or otherwise.
I'm hugely disgusted, and find it truly astounding that California is having so much trouble with an issue that should be a no-brainer.
Ronald Reagan's stink continues to linger in the bigoted heartland of America, and this is a clear indication.
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I'm still pissed that the ignorant yahoos of my state voted the damned thing into law in the first place.
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Definitely disappointed in the outcome of this. BEYOND disappointed. If I try to find the silver lining, though, I'm seeing one really good thing: people in Ohio are talking about it again. A co-worker of mine said that she voted for the ban in 2004, and now she wishes she could take it back.
The fact that people are making a big deal out of CA's decision (as they should be) is generating conversation among people who normally don't even think about gay marriage. That, in my opinion, is a very good thing.
*OPTIMIST!*
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Effing Word.
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Peace and Love. We SHALL overcome.
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(I need to purge all ideas I had about Cali from my brain and switch stuff around with Iowa)
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Not that I can speak, as my own country doesn't have marriage equality -- we don't even have the weak subsititute of civil unions -- and neither major party here will put it on the agenda. I'm hoping that after the next election the Greens get more sway in the senate (and maybe even a couple of lower house seats) so they can push the issue... but it shouldn't be an issue at all.
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I may have just fired up my Dead Kennedys collection.
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Torturous legal language, suggesting that the concurring judges knew damned well that they were full of shit: check.
Shadow on the state of justice: check.
Chance this shit will ultimately stand: 0 percent.
Chance this shit is wrong NOW, hurts people NOW and should be ended NOW, regardless of its eventual disappearance: 100 percent.
If I calm down and post something on this later tonight, I'd be delighted to be able to link to this.
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