more CoE: random stuff and have some plot bunnies

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So, cried at least twice today, but am starting to settle into a nice place with it all, and, you know what? Hope for a series 4. But you people who want a series 4 that involves Ianto coming back to life? Do you think that's going to break your heart less? Because if he does, all of us will be torn apart when he exits again. I'm sure of it. So just, think on that.

And, actually, totally looking forward to doing this as one 5-hour watch with DWNY tomorrow.

Not wanting to wait until next year's Gally to cosplay after this, I'm thinking I'm going to be a bad pro and if my schedule allows, role up my guest ribbon under my badge and bring the coat down to Drag*con and cosplay for one day of it, or at least, one of our evening bar outings.

I am eating something that should not be eaten with chopsticks with chopsticks. I blame copperbadge, and if you've read a certain fic in question, you know why. It's making me feel better.

The ads for the airing on BBCA are on like EVERY SINGLE BUS here. And that's breaking my heart a little.

At one point in IHNIIHBT Jack and Ianto have a conversation about what if Ianto is the last person Jack manages to fall in love with, because Jack is scared his immortality is making him less and less human and able to connect with others. I keep looking at that, and looking at CoE, and smiling, just a little to myself -- because I don't think it's true, but I think canon Jack and our Jack were on the same page with that fear, and that pleases me.

Here, have some plot bunnies:
- if Ianto ever confessed to Jack about the master tailor thing, I'd love to see that scene.
- there's no way Torchwood didn't sleep for five days -- what were the nights like between episodes?
- Ianto and Jack in the car after the block of concrete rescue
- the six months for Jack before he meets Gwen on the hilltop (I may do something with this, but you should do something with it too)
- the political fallout from CoE: does earth get a clue or does it become more bleak and horrifying? Are the events of CoE when everything changes?
- why wasn't the Doctor there, and how bad is the confrontation going to be the next time Jack and him run into each other?
- What if Jack had stopped the 456 by offering them himself and his endless lifeforce? Sure it doesn't really make sense, but neither does the shit they wrote -- this is a seriously dark Jack torture fic sort of thing, but is a great excuse to write altered consciousness and evolution into Face of Boe (this is also something I might write, but am happy to see others tackle).
- Fix some of the shitty science -- why did it have to be kids?
- Bring Ianto back to life with a Risen Mitten. That never goes entirely well -- what's the price this time?
- Bring Ianto back to life in a manner that doesn't involve the Risen Mitten or Jack's kiss. Yeah, I've no idea either, but fucking figure it out and write it ;)
- Jack finds the Doctor and demands he fixes thing, but the Doctor can only mess with the timeline so much, and Jack can't save both Ianto and Stephen, what does he do?
- What if Ianto's Day 4 death wasn't permanent and he was there when Jack uses Stephen to save the planet? How does that go down? What happens between them after?
- Jack leaves earth in grief, and runs into John Hart: does he go with John and drown his sorrows in the wicked ways of his past? tell John to fuck off? or does some sort of third option emerge.
- Jack's leaving earth, and he needs a new name....
- Jack and Alice's mother -- I'd love anything I can get on this. Was Jack there when Alice was born? When did he first see Stephen. What did he think of Alice's husband before he left? What really frightened Alice about her dad in the specific as opposed to conceptual abstract -- what did she see him do as a child or teen or adult that so terrified her?
- Ianto's family, piecing their understanding of him together. Does Jack help, send some info?
- Ianto's childhood -- fuck we have a lot to work with now!
- things that branch AU from any one of the days of CoE. Because apparently Torchwood got Gwen pregnant ;)
- things that branch from the radio plays (I'm doing one for each).
- Songs that need vids: When I Grow Up by Garbage (Ianto!), My Mind is a Box by Pretty Balanced (retcon!), Lake of Tears by L'ame Immoretelle (Jack/Ianto), Our Lies by Raputina (kinda anything).

And of course, things that branch from the earlier two seasons, the books, and anything else. All times are now, multiple fix-its exist, and in DW/TW/SJA canon more than any other, you can throw out huge chunks of canon material and still be playing within the bounds of time and space.

Comments

Part one of two (includes impassioned rant against Ten)

[penguineggs.livejournal.com]

I wonder if there's anything one could do with Jack meeting the Doctor and expecting to have his own guilt and self-loathing met with hostility and finding that instead the Doctor has reached a place where he can finally admit just how much of Jack's (and Earth's) disasters were due to the Doctor and have the Doctor asking for Jack's forgiveness instead? Look at the course of events:

1. Nine picks up Jack in the course of The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances. Jack at this point is a renegade Time Agent with two years missing from his memories (a point still requiring explanation and perhaps of use if trying to sort out the events of CoE: how about Jack hires his younger self - as a strictly commercial proposition - to save Torchwood and preserve Earth from the 456 and then wipes his memory to avoid messing with timelines?) and a huge, unexplained grudge against society. Jack turns into a much better man under the influence of Nine to the point that he is prepared to - and does - sacrifice his life to save others. That was supposed to be the happy ending; the redemption and sacrifice of a scarred and damaged man.

2. Vortex!Rose revives him and curses him with immortality, setting him up for a pattern in which his sacrifice is both required to be repeated - on an endless loop - and can never be enough.

3. Ten - as soon as he realises what has occured - bolts for the other end of the Universe and spends the next 140 years avoiding Jack. As a shitty thing to do, this has got to be up there in the top ten. Avoiding someone for having - partly as a result of your own actions - contracted an incurable condition which you are the only person in the Universe capable of helping them manage, knowing they were in a fragile state of recovery from being despairing and damaged just before they caught it and having no better reason than their condition squicks you for refusing to help is vile behaviour.

Re: Part one of two (includes impassioned rant against Ten)

[darthhellokitty.livejournal.com]

Avoiding someone for having - partly as a result of your own actions - contracted an incurable condition which you are the only person in the Universe capable of helping them manage, knowing they were in a fragile state of recovery from being despairing and damaged just before they caught it and having no better reason than their condition squicks you for refusing to help is vile behaviour.

I've always thought that... and then seeking them out when their condition is useful to you?

Re: Part one of two (includes impassioned rant against Ten)

[penguineggs.livejournal.com]

While still telling them how much they squick you, at the same time as they're dying of radiation poisoning to assist you?