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Date: 2009-07-28 03:27 am (UTC)I hate to say this, but I think that was a myth. :( I asked at
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Date: 2009-07-28 03:36 am (UTC)And you know, sad as it is that it didn't really happen, there is a certain beauty to the way it evolved as a myth anyway.
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Date: 2009-07-28 03:46 am (UTC)Have you been reading the essays going around on how Doctor Who has no canon (true fact, and several of the pieces are by show writers, including Paul Cornell).
One had this quote: "The Doctor remembers every Doctor Who story ever told. Every episode, target book, comic strip and every game of companions and TARDISes that you played as a kid. The universe he lives in has no record of it, because of paradoxes and divergent dimensions and the Time War have reset things... but the Doctor remembers and sometimes when he is sad it's because you've stopped being 8 years old and he can't run around the school playground with you anymore."
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Date: 2009-07-28 03:55 am (UTC)ETA: Beaten to it, and no, the person below isn't who sent it to me. *g*
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Date: 2009-07-28 03:59 am (UTC)I have seen a few fics that have Jack very, very purposefully remembering Ianto on July 9th, 3009. One of them used the stopwatch as a mental reminder, the other used Cardiff - or an area of another planet reminiscent of the topology and weather that South Wales had in 2009.
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Date: 2009-07-28 04:09 am (UTC)The Whoniverse definitely fucks with notions of authorship in some really beautiful ways, and I think that part of the reaction to Ianto's death is that... it does, in many ways, feel like a bold assertion of authorship on the part of the writers to kill a character in a way that does feel definitive -- far more definitive that the "deaths" of Rose and Donna, certainly. Of course, there was also Tosh and Owen, but far fewer writers in fandom had invested in them in the same way; with Ianto there was more of a sense that we all share(d) a certain degree of ownership. And I know it should be possible to reassert that ownership through fic -- and that some people are beginning to do just that -- but doing so means altering one's stance in position to canon to a great degree. I think one of the things I really loved about J/I before CoE was that there was a lot of room for radically different interpretations of the relationship, and all of these could flow along with canon quite comfortably. Even though some of these interpretations (picket fences and wedding bells) were not to my personal taste, I loved that it was open enough to allow for such a wide range.
But now, with this big assertion of authorship, I feel like it's lost that sense of flowing along comfortably together, that if we want to maintain that openness, we need to reject canon outright, rather than reinterpreting it in new ways. And it's... disconcerting, to say the least.
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Date: 2009-07-28 04:15 am (UTC)About time that sort of thing started happening :)
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Date: 2009-07-28 04:19 am (UTC)and this is the one that quote is from: http://teatimebrutality.blogspot.com/2009/07/canon-and-sheep-shit-why-we-fight.html
Aside from the structure of content in the Whoniverse, there is the fact that the legal rights to it are split all over the place, if you're aware of Big Finish as well as the situation with the K-9 show that Australia is getting. So it's both a canon-free universe from a legal perspective as well as a creative one.
I still believe it's possible for us to move freely within the material as transformative writers, at least once the shock wears off and we're not all about addressing or fixing CoE at every second. We don't have to fix it -- all times are now, and all universes are true. For fuck's sake, they blew up Jack ON THE RIFT -- splinter universes, right there!
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Date: 2009-07-28 04:21 am (UTC)Hee!
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Date: 2009-07-28 04:22 am (UTC)Re: GIP
Date: 2009-07-28 04:24 am (UTC)But I picked the riding outfit, anyway.
I was shocked they had something even remotely resembling my hair, let alone how accurate what I picked is.
Also, I have 1960s glasses. That was a gimme.
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Date: 2009-07-28 04:26 am (UTC)For fuck's sake, they blew up Jack ON THE RIFT -- splinter universes, right there!
And thank you for reminding me of this. You actually just made me really happy. :)