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They came in their thousands, queuing through the night to secure one of the coveted wristbands offering entry into a strange parallel universe where medical care is a free and basic right and not an expensive luxury. Some of these Americans had walked miles simply to have their blood pressure checked, some had slept in their cars in the hope of getting an eye-test or a mammogram, others had brought their children for immunisations that could end up saving their life.
Are deaths from cancer meaningful? What about folks who get hit by cars? Aneurysms? Hell, are all military deaths even meaningful? Especially when it's another malfunctioning fucking helicopter (do you know how many service men and women we've lost to those?)
Now I realize, we want fictional deaths to be meaningful. They must, of course, serve the narrative, and if we've ever taken a writing class we learn "something has to happen and something has to change." But real life isn't like that. Sometimes shit doesn't happen. Sometimes shit doesn't change. And, sometimes, a death doesn't mean anything. But the life did.
Look, I get, I really, really get, that for a lot of people Ianto's death is very much what Snape's "snake bubble to the head" anti-climax of a death was for me. And I am so entirely with you on the weird emotional thing we're all still doing with it.
But my mallet of perspective is all the people losing people all around me. And that mallet of perspective isn't the moment of loss, but the process of it. I realize lots of you guys have that mallet of perspective too -- and for you fiction matters because it's a solace, because stories should tell us that life is better than that and that there are reasons for terrible things and that they are beautiful, and give us something to believe in, in our heads when it's hard to have anything in our actual lives to be solaced by. I get that too.
But for whatever reason, I'm not like that. Fiction isn't my escape; it's my preparation.
So maybe the death was meaningless (which I don't agree with in endless rambly meta I typed weeks ago, but maybe I'm totally wrong! maybe it doesn't matter -- it's just TV and there's no such thing as the truth anyway and this is all just opinions besides). But to me, it doesn't matter. Because the life wasn't meaningless, fictional though it may have been. It sure wasn't meaningless to the other characters. And it wasn't meaningless to us, out here, looking at that screen.
It is so primal and strange, this demand for control in the face of the void, this wanting of a good death for people. I thought it was a good death, even if it wasn't a needful one (i.e., the plan sucked, but I think there was a reason for that). Others don't. But it was a good life, and in the end, shouldn't that count more?
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Date: 2009-08-18 04:45 pm (UTC)I suspect that for smaller edit work like that, the white MacBook will do okay on CPU/disk bandwidth but may feel cramped in screen space. No idea, really.
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Date: 2009-08-18 04:48 pm (UTC)Re: Macbook video editing
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Date: 2009-08-18 05:02 pm (UTC)Torchwood: Children of Earth - Ethics, narrative structure, and why I don't think that Ianto's death was meaningless (http://solitary-summer.livejournal.com/438214.html).
Long and well thought out, imo.
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Date: 2009-08-18 05:13 pm (UTC)Perhaps I read too much "Where the Wild Things Are" as a child, but I was never chased by monsters in my nightmares, but by people (Doctor Mengale is my monster under the bed) who were going to take me away and I always "died" trying to get away rather than to let them catch me... so, that relates as well.
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Date: 2009-08-18 05:08 pm (UTC)Not to make your decision harder or anything!
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Date: 2009-08-18 05:34 pm (UTC)Ianto? Yeah, it was a little impractical (like a few niggling plot holes that I would have liked to have seen cleared), but he died in almost a foolhardy manner, in a moment of bravado in which he trusted Jack, as he always did, a moment for which Jack wasn't remotely prepared. But it's Torchwood, which is pretty damn close to the front lines in concept, and I often think of how many soldiers die in the first few minutes of battle. The first few seconds, even. The average life span if a WW1 machine gunner, once he hit the trigger, was approx 30 seconds, IIRC.
Anyway, I like that it happened at an "aw shit" moment in some ways, because Jesus, those are the ones that hurt the most, and they mean the most because they DON'T mean anything. Gah. I dunno how I can say that more clearly.
Also? I am content to be overruled.
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Date: 2009-08-18 05:46 pm (UTC)A general bit of advice on computer shopping, and this applies to both desktops and laptops. RAM and hard drives are both frequently upgradable by the user at home with little effort, and stores often charge a premium for including these upgrades for you. It's often possible to get significant [hundreds of dollars] savings by buying a bare-bones system and upgrading it yourself.
This comment got really long, so I decided to make it into an entry; feel free to read: http://marcmagus.dreamwidth.org/112301.html
* Do the research: make sure the base system you're looking at is capable of
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Date: 2009-08-18 06:16 pm (UTC)I've never done video editing, but my strong sense is that you can now do basic stuff on any of the Mac laptops except for the Airbook, which has sacrificed a certain number of features for sheer portability. For long-term use, I'd look for the fastest of the chips available, and if there's an option for more memory slots without going further up the food chain than you'd like, I'd get a model with the maximum number of those slots. (If that's the sort of thing you need the black model for, it's probably worth it.) Firewire is faster than USB 2, despite the published specs; I'm assuming that the model you're looking at has a Firewire port? (You have to go to the Pro model, or did last I looked, to get Firewire 800 -- but then, you don't really need that.)
The magic, as
For video editing you'll also want a large and fast hard drive. But, do not despair! For you can buy an external that runs at 7200 RPM and up for much less money than it would cost you to have Apple upgrade your internal drive. If you're comfortable with a non-portable-size external drive, you can get enormous amounts of storage for extraordinarily small amounts of money. And run through Firewire their performance is plenty fast enough.
Et cetera, et cetera.
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Date: 2009-08-18 06:20 pm (UTC)I'm also waiting for Patty to get home on the odd chance her student discount can be used since she's not getting a new machine this year.... and I think Mac let's you get an academic discount once a year.
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Date: 2009-08-18 06:30 pm (UTC)It can also be worth trolling the Apple online store refurb section. The discount they offer for their refurbished laptops varies, apparently by whim and phase of the moon, from negligible to quite substantial. The selection is pretty much whatever they happen to have around, but sometimes they have current models there -- and their refurbs come with full guarantee and a year of AppleCare, just like their new machines.
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Date: 2009-08-18 06:30 pm (UTC)[P.S. I hope this didn't come across as my assuming you didn't know anything about hardware. I wanted to share thoughts you *might* not have had, I didn't mean to imply there's no way you had.]
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Date: 2009-08-18 07:28 pm (UTC)(Of course then if you're that sort, then you'll be the sort to jump up and down screaming "brown people" in all kinds of code phrases...)
It's so headdesking I hardly know where to start.
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Date: 2009-08-18 09:47 pm (UTC)Really, meaning pretty much not meaning anyone who'd be on rm's flist, for sure.
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Date: 2009-08-18 07:31 pm (UTC)There's some interview floating around somewhere that implies the virus was meant to be a poison gas, which to me makes so much more sense in terms of the overall plot structure. But anyway.
The Plan Sucked.
Sometimes it's moving people to the other tower where they'll be safe, and sometimes it's keeping all the Etruscans at their end of the bridge until the bridge goes away, but people are honest-to-god trying.
It's what people do, and it's not meaningless.
Trying our level best is all we've got, and it's all we've ever got.
And sometimes it's not enough. And sometimes it all goes wrong. But not because no one tried.
I've never identified with Ianto. Or Jack. But i can say that their lives are not meaningless. And I will love them for that. In lieu of all the flesh I will never know, that died doing the best that it could.
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Date: 2009-08-19 01:02 am (UTC)Yes.
I can't even count the dozens of experiences I've had in my life that have evoked a relevant sentence or paragraph I read, which prepared me for those experiences.
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Date: 2009-08-19 01:19 am (UTC)On the topic of women being told to avoid a place they've been going, I have only
And the rules that we live by are simple and clear:
Be wicked and lovely and don't live in fear --
(If you haven't seen the video of the live performance, it's here.)
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Date: 2009-08-19 01:35 am (UTC)2ndly, i'm NOT arguing with you, i swear
But sometimes, death is meaningless. It's stupid and careless and just dumb. - i believe this, i believe this SO HARD and a completely pointless, random stupid death makes sense for the kind of life led in torchwood
BUT everyone (the writers, other fans, whoever) have been saying and keep saying that ianto's death DID serve the narrative by being the catalyst for jack to lose all hope and push him so far that he makes the choice to sacrifice his own grandson - and, honestly, i personally just do not see it that way, at all
i'm not angry that ianto died (even though i want him back!) and i'm not even that upset that it wasn't, IMO, a good death, it's all the ppl saying how it had to happen when it just didn't
it didn't have to happen for any reason, it just happened
/end rant
you post so much thinky stuff all the time, i'm still catching up with your last post!
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Date: 2009-08-19 01:47 am (UTC)It was just cheap.
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Date: 2009-08-19 01:57 am (UTC)As much as Trashy Diva stuff is cut bustier than I am, it accommodates my hips and their tops are often meant to be somewhat blouse-y so it's okay.
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Date: 2009-08-19 03:20 pm (UTC)And thank you very much. It's always a relief when my insistence that stories and how we interacting with them is important seems to actually be true.
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Date: 2009-08-20 11:40 am (UTC)This. Over and over.
People, on the whole, don't die as the denouement of a coherent narrative1. Death doesn't wait for us to be ready. And, you know, okay. In fiction we have different expectations, but even as the piece stands I can't help but think that what happens in CoE was contextually workable. How many times a week do these two go running into danger because they think they can win? Because they have to? Because it's what they do?
It sucks, and it's awful to get shot down like that, but at half strength under such high stakes? Yeah.
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1 All the more reason to manipulate our coherent narratives...
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Date: 2009-08-22 01:09 am (UTC)The dress btw is awesome.
Your thoughts on Ianto and CoE make a lot of sense, thank you. I keep going back and forth with that whole thing. I knew his death was coming. Dramatically it was pretty much a given. I was frustrated with the plot holes that I saw and the feel of the lack of planning, but I do see your points, and the ones from the post that was linked in the comments (thank you to all, that was also very interesting). I personally dont like RTD's statements about Ianto needing to die to make Jack's actions happen in day five. I dont see that as making any sense. Jack's screwed up and broken and has already sacrificed lots of lives for various reasons. I dont see that the writing gives us the support to his words. But hey, that's me, and they got to make what they made.
your point is well taken - death happens and the life lived is what is meaningful regardless of how the death appears. I think if there is anything we would do well to learn as humans, er, make that one of the things, it is this. I think it might help us cherish life a little more if we could hold on to this concept.
"Fiction isn't my escape; it's my preparation."
This is a really interesting thought, thank you.
When I stop to think about it, what I read is often my escape, but what I write is my processing, even in my fiction. I suspect that is either a tangent or something off to the side of what you mean by preparation, but it does seem to be what my head does.
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