[personal profile] rm
If you think that my equality under the law - MY CIVIL RIGHTS - is legitimately and appropriately the subject of a vote...

If you think that LGBTQ people shouldn't have the right to marry people of their choosing or be protected from things like job and housing discrimination...

GET OUT OF MY LIVING ROOM.

This journal is that living room, and I am not here to entertain you while also begging for crumbs of respect.
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Date: 2009-11-04 04:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-11-04 04:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
The fact that it even came up for plebiscite baffled me - but then, so much about American politics does.

Anyway, word.

Date: 2009-11-04 04:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-11-04 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayoub.livejournal.com
Well said.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dremiel.livejournal.com
The only hope I can wring from events is the baffled RAGE with which my 12 yo son responded to the news this morning. Because OF COURSE it shouldn't be an issue.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weirdodragoncat.livejournal.com
Yes.

I remember having a conversation with my (at the time)8yr old daughter about prop 8 (CA). Once I explained to her what it was about, her words were 'that's stupid!'

exactly.

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Date: 2009-11-04 05:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kyburg.livejournal.com
*grumble* Beyond rational discourse right now.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovefromgirl.livejournal.com
O.O

Who comes into someone's journal and insults them that way?!

If anyone here is begging, let it be me, because you are someone I look up to and admire.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
It was on my friendslist. It is not longer on my friendslist. Obviously, my public entries are accessible for anyone who wants to read them and civil discourse (of which I have a pretty broad definition) is always welcome here. However, I don't want people being all "well, see, I read her stuff, I'm not a bigot" or "well, she's entertaining eventhough she's queer" or whatever other bullshit I'm sure someone or other is thinking going on. Obviously, people are gonna do what they are going to do, but I'm so pissed right now!

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Date: 2009-11-04 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tru2myart.livejournal.com
I completely agree. I'm not sure what happened to spark this entry but anyone that would even suggest such a thing needs to be dunked in a big old vat of WTF stew.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:13 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2009-11-04 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elynne.livejournal.com
The way it was written in the voter's guide in WA, it was made pretty explicit, "vote against this and you're a bigot." The only argument against 71 was "gays might marry omgomgomg!!" I'm glad that we seem to be carrying the day in WA, but dismayed beyond telling at how close it is, and at how many other states are being flooded with the ignorant hysteria of anti-gay rhetoric. It's SICKENING.

seriously wtf is wrong with people. wtfwtfwtf.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matthewwdaly.livejournal.com
Hell yes. Never mind your living room, I'm taking names of people who peddle this trash in the village green too. If you can't wrap your mind around equal protection under the law, then you should be made to be too ashamed to admit it in public.

Date: 2009-11-04 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tikiera.livejournal.com
I wish more people were of that sentiment.

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Date: 2009-11-04 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] norda.livejournal.com
I like you. I like your brain and the places it goes, but I've never thought that you were here for my entertainment. I consider it a privilege to sit in your living room.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you. And I am sorry about the wide blase radius of my anger right now.

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Date: 2009-11-04 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popfiend.livejournal.com
You have been heard and agreed with.

If I were better with my words today, I'd type something more profound than this. But yeah, you're right and you deserve better.

We all do.

Date: 2009-11-04 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaspeedo.livejournal.com
I'm pretty damn speechless angry myself, so yes. Exactly.

Date: 2009-11-04 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tikiera.livejournal.com
Your anger is justified.

Date: 2009-11-04 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firefly124.livejournal.com
Yeah, it boggles my mind that these things are even put to a popular vote. That can only ever lead to tyranny of the majority. (Went searching for the quote, which I thought was from Thomas Jefferson, and found a much more interesting lesson here.) Or at least, the majority that turns out to vote.

Did we commit this sort of idiocy back in the 60s? My Civil Rights Movement history is clearly sadly lacking. Shall have to remedy that.

Date: 2009-11-04 06:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
Funny, my first thought when I saw this OP was "didn't Tocqueville have something to say about this?" (having studied some of his writings) and turns out he was the one to coin the phrase. The more you know. Or remember, anyway.

And I think plebiscites weren't nearly as popular back in the 60s in any case.

Date: 2009-11-04 06:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
We need more fight songs, I think.

Date: 2009-11-04 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delchi.livejournal.com
I've mentioned that before. The 60's had all kinds of interesting songs that managed to get idea across. Maybe we can get country Joe and The Fish out of retirement?

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Date: 2009-11-04 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eandh99.livejournal.com
The win in Washington consoles a little for the loss in Maine, but not much. I stopped coming to the US (I'm Canadian) during the Bush years, and I find myself still feeling afraid to travel there with my partner and our kids. Canada doesn't let the majority legislate away the rights of a minority - so why don't the American Bill of Rights and judiciary protect people like me who live only a few miles south? We've had domestic partner benefits since the early 90's, were able to adopt as a couple in 96, got legally married in 2003 - and the level of hatred and bigotry that surges around these anti-gay campaigns makes me physically sick at the idea of crossing a border that's only a few miles from my house. What makes the US so different from other Western Countries in this regard - is it just the power and money the big churches have? Well, then, thank the Universe that Canada's sinking into religious apathy then.

Date: 2009-11-04 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
Anger is not about fear and "the dark side" - it's a bolt of lightning against the dark.

Dylan Thomas said it best, neh...

Date: 2009-11-04 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malle-babbe.livejournal.com
THIS.

I can't fathom why the "Get big Gub'mint out of my business" crowd gets so antsy about other people's relationships. At least the last-minute teabagger candidate in NY state got stomped.

You succinctly argue why putting civil rights up to a vote is absurd; I can't help but wonder if this method was used to bypass the "Big Mean 'Activist' Judge" meme that the Right has been using for the past 40+ years.

Yours is a blog of substance. I got here by way of Torchwood, stayed for your insights on life and the creative process.

Date: 2009-11-05 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cinnamonteal.livejournal.com
This (squared)

Date: 2009-11-04 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] offbalance.livejournal.com
I couldn't agree more. *raises glass*

Date: 2009-11-04 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] podle.livejournal.com
Amen, sister.
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