And I'm upset at declarations of "all __________ feel ___________ about this law."
I am an American citizen who, because I don't drive, very often happens not to carry ID. This is not a political statement; it's just a fact. The passport doesn't fit neatly into everything, sometimes I forget to change it between jackets. I don't always have ID.
And, historically, legally, that's been okay. There is no national ID card in America. There is no legal requirement that I be able to identify my citizenship and residency status for any reason at any time. I cannot be stopped on the street for no other reason than how I look and be asked for my papers. If, in the course of some other event, cops ask me for ID, if I don't have it on me, yeah, that'll be a hassle, but it's not a crime in and of itself (reality is slightly more complicated than that, but I'm going with brevity and the assumption that I'm not committing a crime at the time of said hypothetical police interaction).
The Arizona law, to my reading, changes that in Arizona. To my reading of the political climate of Arizona and its particular issues, people can make all the noise they want about this law being directed at all illegal immigrants, I still read this as specifically targeting the Latino population for reasons that - while it may include some legitimate concerns about the very screwed up state of immigration, immigration laws and immigration enforcement in the US - absolutely, positively look like racism to me.
And, while I have not, nor do I intend to, refer to the people who have put this law into action as Nazi's, because that is hyperbole (and not useful hyperbole), I will saw unequivocably that one of the reasons the law makes me uncomfortable, beyond its racism, beyond the distraction it provides from deterring crime with clear-cut and immediate victims, is because I'm a Jewish person. Full stop. Other Jews may or may not feel that way. I do.
And guess what? I'm allowed to.
I am too fucking old to "agree to disagree" on some aspects of some issues. These include racism and civil rights. Does a person in Arizona have more meaningful commentary to offer on this law than I? You bet. Do Latino people? Also yes. Do people with personal immigration-related experiences? Yup. Here's the thing though, we all get our perspective. And I can't speak for anyone else. So I'd like people to stop speaking for me or telling me how I should speak.
You can think anything you damn well want about the law in Arizona. But the voicing of opinions has consequences - for me and for you. For everyone. And I won't socialize with people who think I'm less than human because of any of the various categories I fit in to.
That also means I'm not interested in socializing with people who think those sorts of things about others because of their categories. We're all a little bit racist and a whole lot ignorant; it's the human condition and I can live with it, especially when we're all trying to do better. But it's the a lot racist and the proud of ignorance thing I've got a problem with.
And don't call me stupid. Ever.
Meanwhile on Angel it's the return of Ann. That fundraiser thing was so ridiculous; weirdly it reminded me of the most useless White Collar episode ever, witht he mortgage fraud. It was that same sort of "ignore the actual boring thing driving this plot" problem.
Angel and his humans are so useless without each other. I loved the demon from the 1920s Angel has the fight drama going on with. Great character, great performance. I like Wesley around Gun. It makes Wesley seem like he's actually getting to be a boy, and it strikes me that that's unusual for him, like he had to be a serious little adult at nine. I mean, I did, and I wasn't a Watcher. ;)
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Date: 2010-04-30 03:05 pm (UTC)I'm really curious about my father's opinions of the Arizona law.
As a highly privileged 78-year-old man, it's entirely likely he'll come down on the side of "If they're not doing anything wrong, what do they have to be worried about?"
However.
He's also the child of immigrants, he didn't speak English until he went to school, and he's a lawyer, so he could have legal insights to this law that we may not.
My grandmother spent her entire life in America fearing the day someone asked her for papers. I can't help but wonder if my father will put that two and two together.
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Date: 2010-04-30 03:18 pm (UTC)I'd love say that we're using only sources like Hulu and ABC to watch, but my download history in Vuze makes it clear that this isn't the case.
On AZ: Bravo and well said.
On Buffy: I'd meant to ask this before, but is this your first time through the series? I'm assuming no, but I'd rather not make any comments that assume you've seen later eps (or know what happened).
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Date: 2010-04-30 03:22 pm (UTC)Where I get testy is when folks from, say Iowa, start expounding on how we need to send all them brown people back where they came from because they are ruining our country.
Huh. How thoughtful of you, Mr. Iowa, to come up with such a great plan, considering the lack of those icky brown people that likely live in YOUR state.
I have an opinion on immigration. Yep indeedy. And, for better or worse, it is formed in large part by living in Southern California.
There were kids at my high school who were only there the first semester, vanished the second semester and then came back again the following fall. Why? Because second semester coincided with harvesting season, so they were out in the fields picking the lettuce that likely ended up on my dinner table. Which, oh yeah, wanna see the price of produce shoot through the roof? Send all those icky brown people back where they came from.
I was fluent enough in Spanish in high school that my then-boyfriend's mother would call up just to have me translate instructions to her maid. Because she couldn't be bothered to either learn a few simple phrases or find out how fluent the under-the-table help was in English (more than she let on, actually).
So yeah, you sit back in your rocking chair over there in Iowa and rant on about Fear of a Brown Nation. But I guarantee it will affect me long long before it gets to you. So in that sense, damn skippy I am entitled to more meaningful commentary on the subject.
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Date: 2010-04-30 03:31 pm (UTC)It's perfectly normal to be asked to show your proof of existence to any guard, clerk or anyone in authority who demands it. If I don't have it, it's a misdemeanour.
Christ, now that I think about that freakin' scary.
Just edited to add: Arizona sounds like full fledged racist xenophobia gone ape shit, wtf?!
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Date: 2010-04-30 05:15 pm (UTC){and yes, I do think the AZ law is horrible, but, just to put there that it's not just wherever you live.}
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Date: 2010-04-30 03:34 pm (UTC)I've been challenged for supposedly not being an American citizen way too many times (I'm Asian-American). I'd be terrified to have it done by the police, backed up by law. There's no way I'd ever go to Arizona now, until they overturn that thing. Obviously the number one victims are Latino/Chicano but it sucks all over.
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Date: 2010-04-30 06:56 pm (UTC)Lacking a license , a state non drivers ID is considered the same.
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Date: 2010-04-30 03:35 pm (UTC)Thanks.
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Date: 2010-04-30 03:46 pm (UTC)I love Wes and Gunn together. As do a lot of fic authors.
It makes Wesley seem like he's actually getting to be a boy, and it strikes me that that's unusual for him, like he had to be a serious little adult at nine.
I don't doubt for a second that he did. Or even younger.
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Date: 2010-04-30 03:46 pm (UTC)We have a permeable border, and people are going to cross borders if life is better on the other side. I would. If the issue is people using services without paying taxes, then we need to address that.
Police hate this law:
http://www.alternet.org/rights/146677/why_law_enforcement_officials_should_hate_arizona%27s_racist_new_law
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Date: 2010-04-30 04:08 pm (UTC)"Crush" is the most hilarious, awesome, awkward, painful, weird Buffy episode ever. I love the Dawn/Spike friendship. I feel, oddly, really bad for Spike even though he's a creepy stalker asshole. And the whole thing was just unsettling and smart.
Word to all of this! :)
I like Wesley around Gun. It makes Wesley seem like he's actually getting to be a boy
I think Gunn might be his first proper friend, and I just want to hug them both.
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Date: 2010-04-30 04:28 pm (UTC)Those supporting the Arizona law should look to Prince William County's experience as a warning.
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Date: 2010-04-30 05:02 pm (UTC)I am too fucking old to "agree to disagree" on some aspects of some issues.
*small cheer*
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Date: 2010-04-30 05:07 pm (UTC)To clarify: I think the law is racist and horrible, I just wanted to point out that the "I don't have to carry an ID so why should they" is not necessarily a valid argument against it.
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Date: 2010-04-30 05:57 pm (UTC)If I may ask, where are you watching Dr Who if not cable? That's my main reason other than the kids for turning on the tv these days, so would be useful info.
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Date: 2010-04-30 07:03 pm (UTC)I'm getting my fix via usenet. :)
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Date: 2010-04-30 06:46 pm (UTC)The only legitimate argument I've seen is along the lines of being racist , only in so much as the possibility of police officers abusing the law via racial profiling ( which is strictly prohibited in the law itself , and it was recently altered to provide more strong wording to that effect ). The thing is , if you are going to attack a law because of the possibility of a cop abusing it, you could attack ANY law for the same reason.
What did raise my eyebrows was the man who called in from VA who owns a construction business and said that he didn't care about any laws, he was going to keep hiring illegal immigrants because of their work ethic. He specifically said he didn't care about state federal or any other law.
My confusion is how people can say this law is based on racial profiling when it is expressly forbidden in the law to perform racial profiling - and because of that I'm sure many cases will be thrown out. The other thing that throws me for a loop is that it is a state level law, that mirrors a federal law that has been in place for some time, but is not actively enforced. As it is now a state law as well it can be enforced actively at the state level even if it is not enforced at the federal level.
Just to be clear though , talking about it , voicing opinions about it , or even protesting it if that's the thing is not stupid. You personally? Not stupid. However I maintain that anyone that compares this law to Nazi policies is a complete total idiot.
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Date: 2010-04-30 06:59 pm (UTC)The Southern Poverty Law Center has a good explanation of connections involving Nazi sympathizers.
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Date: 2010-04-30 06:52 pm (UTC)The Spike/Dawn friendship was one of my favorite things in BtVS.
I feel, oddly, really bad for Spike even though he's a creepy stalker asshole.
It's a weird feeling, but, yeah.
"Unsettling and smart" is a good description. You're entering into my favorite era of Spike's story, which explores a lot of interesting and complicated ideas about the nature of identity, love, and redemption.
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Date: 2010-04-30 07:01 pm (UTC)No more dish network for me.
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Date: 2010-05-01 02:11 am (UTC)I'm upset at being told I haven't read the law (I have).
And that's what's so scary about this one. The wording doesn't really matter. It almost looks innocent. Even the intent doesn't really matter, to my thinking--not that I'm convinced it's as innocent as some people would like me to believe. What matters is that, based on human history, it is impossible to implement this kind of a law without it becoming an excuse for police abuses. I'm also not wild on being forced to carry my identification everywhere I go--even though I usually do. I object on general principle. :/
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Date: 2010-05-01 06:46 am (UTC)http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1ny7qQuPF1qa10u7o1_500.jpg
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Date: 2010-05-01 11:19 am (UTC)Still makes me shiver, though.