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[rm]

Currently, we are waiting for our next Buffy and Angel box sets to arrive. I believe Patty expects them today.

Plans! Are coming together. I have generalized knowledge now of when Patty will be visiting her family in Ohio (yay, she won't miss Pride, yay) and What to Expect at the Conference is becoming more clear. I've given up worry; it's all constructed paranoia anyway.

Yesterday James Moran tweeted something funny and bitter about enjoying the exciting news before the Internet came and ruined it all, and I told him the Internet was very, very happy and then he tweeted back at me about his dinner, and that was all lovely. And then, of course, by the time it was dinner time here, someone was wrong on the Internet. Which, in fact, doesn't mean anyone was wrong at all, just that conversations had started to be like that. Oh, non-canceled TV show fandoms you are hard, hard on my heard.

For me, I'm grateful for an S4, because my brain instinctively finds a way to explain shit the show doesn't/won't. Will we see a grieving process from Jack about Ianto and Stephen? Well, lord knows how many years it will have been for him, so what we're graced with will likely be very small. However, seeing him go on is such a better feeling (I think! remember how I said Day 5 couldn't hurt worse than Day 4?) than Ianto's death being the end of the particular fictional world that's Torchwood.

Also, damn I'm glad to know what's going on with the show before I tackle the chapter proposal I'm doing. The upcoming season of unknownness has some meta awesome to it for that.

Anyway. Torchwood. We all feel stuff and in many cases bring a lot of random expertises and inside information to the rumour table. I'm going to try not to play Someone Is Wrong on the Internet, because, of course, that someone might well be me.

I am reading the Doctor Who book with the Neanderthal in it.

I have started another kink_bingo fic, but with a lot of work on my plate, WIAD, and the fact that more than any of that I want some quality Patty time especially now that ti's not too hot to think out, you get to wait for a while.

On the subject of classical education.

Lost WWII battlefield found.

Other links of newsy interest as I find them.

Comments

[pocketmouse]

"...Ianto's death being the end of the particular fictional world that's Torchwood."

What do you mean by this? Because all the interpretations I can think of don't jive with my experience of Torchwood, so I'm not sure what you're saying.

[rm.livejournal.com]

I'm saying that if the show had not been renewed for another season it's easier for people to view Ianto's death as the end the world in the Torchwood universe. As the show will continue, life in that universe goes on, which creates a perspective about Ianto's death if, not from out here, then from in there.

[pocketmouse]

OK. Ianto's the character I'm least interested in, so it's hard for me to see the show in that light at all. I mean, we saw things after that, and his death wasn't the focal point of the story (it was an effect of the story, and a strong moment, but it didn't change the outcome in any way or anything like that), so for me it's got nothing to do with it being the end of Torchwood or not.

[rm.livejournal.com]

Well, sure, but you've certainly see all that going on in fandom. For people that took it as a big hit -- whether that changed their feelings about the show or not -- the Torchwood universe continuing to tick on after that event has a meaning in one form or other.

[pocketmouse]

OK, so you mean the fannish universe? Because again, that means something different to me than the universe of the canonical show. I keep reading your phrasing as 'because Ianto is dead there is nothing else for this canon to do/explore that is worthwhile' and I'm sure that's not what you mean, but it's what I keep reading.

[rm.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, I don't know how to explain any more clearly that there is a both a Watsonian and Doylist universe in play here that exists differently for different fans and has a shape that is, for some of those fans, dependent on whether a S4 was going to happen or not. Maybe I'll try to come back to this later when I'm not on a deadline, but for now this is all I've got.

[pocketmouse]

OK. I just couldn't tell if you were talking about one or both. You were using a lot of absolutes, and majority is different from absolute, and it makes it hard for me to interpret what you're actually trying to say. I'm pretty sure I get what you are going for now, thanks for clarifying.