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We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
What might save us, me, and you
Is if the Russians love their children too.


It's a testament both to my age and what a weird news week this has been (Russian spies???!) that I'm starting this entry with a quote from a Sting song I used to sing a lot when I was a teen, mainly because it's a nice fit for my voice, and because I grew up at the tail end of the secret nuclear club.

The funny thing about this song, even though it's all about peace, is that it's actually a bit offensive if you think about it. Of course the Russians love their children too. That's the funny thing about people, they're pretty much the same wherever you go, which is why I get a little bit cranky when people start talking about "The American Dream" like no one ever looked up at the stars or decided whoever dies with the most toys wins before Europeans got to this chunk of this continent.

I'm a hyphenated-American. The short versions of that include Italian- or Sicilian-American depending on whom I'm speaking to (I'll unpack that mess for you another time), Jewish-American, Eastern-European American and Queer-American. The long list could include a bunch more things because my family history is pretty complicated, but I usually stick to those because they're the dominant things that impact how I live every day.

Yeah. Really. Every day. They're why I call pasta sauce "gravy" or sometimes keep being tempted to call Patty shaina punim. They're also why I sometimes get embarrassed when my father asks me to "shut the light" or "if I brushed my tooth" eventhough his first and only language is English (I wish he was better at code-switching) or why I always, always think twice before I pick up money, even if it's my own I dropped, lying in the street.

All the time, I get asked where I'm from. Maybe that's a New York thing, like asking people how much their rent is. But on a pretty regular basis I get mistaken for a long list of things including Middle Eastern, French and Spanish. People tell me they know I'm a Jew because of my nose; sometimes it's affectionate, sometimes not. My nose, btw, isn't from that side of the family.

Once while traveling a San Francisco bookshop a clerk asked me if I was Sicilian. "Well, my family is," I told her.

"I knew!" she said. "I never see anyone here that looks like me. It's good you're visiting."

In Italy when people ask, I say my family comes from there (again with the Sicilian or Italian depending on locale, long story), but I'm from the States. In other countries I say New York or the States. Easy enough.

But here, in NYC, I'm Sicilian and Eastern European. I explain that Latvia and Lithuania are two different countries. I wind up answering quiet questions about what happened to my mother's family in the War. And the reason I'm those things here isn't because I'm not proud to be from the here or want to be cool and exotic, but because those markers are how I'm from here. They inform the way and nature of my Americanism.

My national experience, despite being second-generation and then some, is absolutely colored by the fact that my father's family came here through Ellis Island, that my grandmother had nothing more than a third grade education, that my father's father was a shoemaker, and my mother's grandfather a tailor. These facts are in, not just my family, but in my memory and my flesh (and not just because I also happen to have a genetic illness that correlates with my ancestry); they inform my gender, my faith and the way in which I try to build community around me. If you'd ever seen me sit alone and tend to clothes or construct mournful tunes or random syllables as I walk from the subway to my house, you would know, and you would ask, where are you from?

My life has also been shaped by the hyphenations of those around me -- from food to meeting parents to stories about how folks came to be here; their families got here on planes! which is hard for me to imagine. And then there are all the Indian folks in my life who spent the back-end of 2001 explaining that they weren't terrorists and the Muslim folks in my life explaining that not all Muslims share the same skin color or clothing choices.

So when people tell me I should drop my hyphenations because they're just about hating America or refusing to assimilate, I am confused. It is like asking me to observe, but never write, or telling me that it's somehow inappropriate for me to use each of the senses I've been given. My sense of America and its promise is less without my hyphenations. My hyphenations are an act of love.

America1 isn't, and can't, be one thing. Even if I dropped all my hyphenations, odds are my experience of American culture would be really different from a lot of people's. I've never driven a car. Or been to a football game. My high school didn't have a homecoming dance. I never learned to ride a bike. I grew up eating pizza with a knife and fork. Dinner was more often at 8 than 6. I never went to religious services for anything other than transition rituals. I never had a yard.

But here's the thing, I am sick of being told -- whether it's by political factions in this country or The Brady Bunch -- that I'm doing it wrong. I'm sick of being told that America values individuality, only to be told in the next breath I'm not really from here because I'm from New York or of the wrong faith or fuck in ways you deem too dirty to be called love.

I am also sick of being told that we're all equal here so I better act like I'm on the damn team already when my inheritance, marriage and employment rights (to name just a few) are different than yours; when people are still stopped for driving while black or flying while brown; when women are paid $.78 on the dollar to a man, when the surest way to make the value of a profession go down is to make it appealing to women or racial and ethnic minorities, and when Arizona is outlawing education about anything other than dead white guys and assuming that all Latinos are illegal.

And I'm sick of being told that this country, my country, has a monopoly on ambition, like no one else ever wanted to change the world or like ambition is the best of all virtues; let me tell you, just from living with myself and my desires that both those things are lies.

When I was a kid I gave a speech on "What's Right About America" in the Miss New York National Teenager Pageant 1987, a pageant I entered because I was trying to be American in a way that our wacked out culture had me convinced I couldn't be living in New York.2 I wasn't normal. I wasn't, I feared, American. I thought, I'll show people! Even if I did say during the interview portion of the competition that the famous person I most wanted to meet was Soviet dissident and scientist Andrei Sakarov, because I was too embarrassed to admit that really, I wanted to say David Bowie.3

I didn't win the speech category or the pageant, but my speech was about how America allows us to talk about her, refine her, criticize her and fix her. Our Constitution is a living, shifting document. And you can't have that sort of life and evolution without discussion and without multiple viewpoints.

Our virtue as a nation is a simple one. We're people, just like people anywhere. And we the people everywhere love our children. We want comfortable homes and good food. We want to get through the night. We want people to like us. We want to be happy. We want to change the world. We want to learn things. We want to do stuff just because someone told us we couldn't. We want our parents to be proud of us. We want to be free.

And, in addition to all of that, whether by choice or fate or by theft and viciousness (by which I mean the slave trade that brought people here, for those not quite following along), we're bound up with a whole hell of a lot of other people in this cruel, brilliant, silly and sublime nation of colonizers and the colonized, where we often must desperately hope, at least if you have certain hyphenations that necessitate such hope and fear, that our neighbors, no matter what their hyphenations are, are on the same page as us.

Our history may be unique but every country's is, and people are people. Just like the Russians, who yes, Sting, do love their children too. Or the Moroccans. Or the Ghanaians, or the Dutch, or the Argentinians, or the Japanese or the Czech, or the Sudanese, or the Kenyans or any of the dozens of other countries I could name here (if I could remember them all -- Patty can, she plays a neato geography game to practice, but I'm not as good).

So don't tell me only Americans are exceptional. And don't tell me the only way to be American is to forget.4



1 Calling the US "America" as shorthand is basically shit. Lots of other countries in America, and I'm doing it here in part out of a bad habit I'm still working on and in part because of the LJ post this was written in response too. Additionally, sometimes in addressing the Myth of America, one has to talk to it on its terms, no matter how problematic.
2 The parts of the country that revile me for being queer, for being Jewish, for being not white enough, for having a certain education, and for living in New York never treated me like an American until 9/11. Now wars, one of which has had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 have been fought in my name. I am sick of my city being used and abused for the sake of politics and quasi-national racial and religious anxieties I don't share.
3 Who I did actually meet briefly years later.
4 Seriously, did you miss that part about being of Eastern European Jewish descent?
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Date: 2010-06-30 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supremegoddess1.livejournal.com
This, times a million.

Might I post it to [livejournal.com profile] readers_list?

Date: 2010-06-30 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Yeah, feel free, although you may want to wait a couple of hours, because I'm still in that tweaking stage.

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Date: 2010-06-30 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebonypearl.livejournal.com
"So don't tell me only Americans are exceptional. And don't tell me the only way to be American is to forget."

I didn't say that, but I'm glad you posted this on your blog and not mine. I appreciate the consideration.

Date: 2010-06-30 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sihaya09.livejournal.com
I am not going to get in a debate with you, because the point is, you said a lot of contradictory things in your post, but I am going to point out what you said in your own words:

Why is it so hard for people to say they are American, without having to immediately qualify it by staking a claim on some other nationality right away, as if it were shameful to be just plain American?

That right there? That is erasure. It is the expectation you are placing on a perfect stranger to excise important parts of their personal identity because you think that in hyphenating their ethnicity, they are somehow indicating shame of some sort. This is a BLATANT falsehood.

You should think about why so many people are taking exception with what you are saying. People are not getting upset over nothing. They are getting upset because of the implications of things that you are saying.

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Date: 2010-06-30 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eris.livejournal.com
hear hear!

Re: notation 1, yeah it's a pet peeve of mine, yet I've been doing it today too(in regards to this) out of laziness.

Date: 2010-06-30 06:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
Canadians do it all the time, even though we all know that it isn't true.
It often means that we are trying not to say "Yank"-which is about the politest term we use. And we like you.
But generally it's just because that's what people in the United States call themselves, and there's no fixing it.

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Date: 2010-06-30 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eac.livejournal.com
I entirely agree with you, but I'm such a rabid David Bowie fan that you've derailed all my response with footnote number 2. I'd love to know all about that, if there's anything to tell.

Date: 2010-06-30 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thanks! I put the story up today. It's brief, because it's sort of a non thing.

Date: 2010-06-30 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ftemery.livejournal.com
I just stopped by out of boredom and got an education - thank you! You must know a lot of annoying people. I don't know that I've ever spoken up for myself that well. Maybe I should.

Date: 2010-06-30 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you! And this comment made me laugh so hard. The Internet, in addition to being for porn, is often for being made cranky!
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Date: 2010-06-30 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2010-06-30 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azn-jack-fiend.livejournal.com
Another shameless Bowiemaniac-American piping in (regarding footnote 2)

Date: 2010-06-30 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ravenskye8.livejournal.com
Brava!

(And thank you for the link about code-switching - now I know there is an actual phrase that describes how I talk using English, Yiddish, and Hebrew in the same sentence!)

Date: 2010-06-30 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you! It can happen within a single language too as it does with my dad. It's really interesting stuff. I should probably find a link better than Wikipedia though.

Date: 2010-06-30 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delchi.livejournal.com
Re the song , I thought that it was an appeal to the political people in power , and not a reflection on the people as a whole. Like before you give the order to turn the key and launch the missiles, I hope you think first.

Just my observation ...

Date: 2010-06-30 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
I think it was, but it got stuck in my head while writing this, so I sort of ran with it and decided to examine it from another angle.

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Date: 2010-06-30 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanat.livejournal.com
I know I've tried to start saying "US" instead of "America" now that I'm living abroad. The demonym, however... I'm not officially an expat, so saying "USian" (you-ess-ee-en?) like I see written on in the blogosphere is awkward, but the best I can manage.

Date: 2010-06-30 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kel-reiley.livejournal.com
i think most ppl say "America" or "American" b/c US or even United States is a stupid name for a country* (i mean, it's not for what it means and stands for, but it isn't an easy thing to claim like "British" or "Japanese" or "Indian"), so yeah, USian... kinda doesn't work the same way as the others

*for ppl who don't know me, that is said in my joking voice - i don't believe it's actually "stupid"

Date: 2010-06-30 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunhawk.livejournal.com
Well said!

Date: 2010-06-30 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2010-06-30 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilacsigil.livejournal.com
Australia is not too dissimilar from America on so many of these points. When people say "let's not hyphenate my (white)-Australian identity" they really mean "Don't hyphenate me and people like me. I'll hyphenate YOUR identity all I like." I don't think the pressure here is as intense - like Canada, we went for the "multicultural" model rather than "melting pot" - but when I'm a first-generation Australian and go unquestioned but fifth generation Chinese Australians (not to mention indigenous Australians) are still outsiders, there's something very wrong with our idea of equality.

Date: 2010-06-30 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
In Canada, 'Winter Makes You Canadian'. Is there an equivalent concept in The Unite States of Ausrailia?

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Date: 2010-06-30 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delchi.livejournal.com
As an aside, it as this song that inspired me to come up with the phrase " Male by biology, not school of thought " to describe myself.

Date: 2010-06-30 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klwalton.livejournal.com
May I link this?

Date: 2010-06-30 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Sure thing.

Date: 2010-06-30 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stiobhan.livejournal.com
Lots of other countries in the Americas, yeah, but none other that had the foresight to use "America" in their name before 1776. We've got legitimate dibs!

None other that had the foresight

Date: 2010-06-30 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
I beg your pardon, but how on earth would you know whether they didn't?

Date: 2010-06-30 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brightlotusmoon.livejournal.com
This made me tear up, smiling and nodding and fist-pumping.

Sicilian-American, Romanian-American, Russian-American, Hungarian-American, Jewish-American. Need to check with Mom to see if there really is German or not in her heritage. I think there is a small bit.

I love my hyphens. I am very proud of them. My father is first-generation Sicilian. My mother is second-generation Romanian with Russian, Hungarian, Jewish, and possibly German. I love reading about the countries and cultures that shaped my family and heritage. When I got into paganism, I found myself drawn to mythologies from all over Eastern Europe; it felt familial as well as familiar.

I read the link in your last entry. I used to have that woman on my friends' list. I thought she had some very interesting things to say, until she started posting things that offended and insulted me deeply. Like, oh, the thing about America.

I wish I had more in-depth things to say here. This post just deeply moved me and I want to thank you.

Date: 2010-06-30 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
If I forget where my people came from, I forget who I am.
If I don't remember who I am, how will I remember my duty to my country?

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Date: 2010-06-30 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
Here via [livejournal.com profile] klwalton.

You made me cry. I've been talking about hyphenated Americanism for a long, long time. I love the way you wrote about it. Thank you.

Date: 2010-06-30 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
And thank you!

Date: 2010-06-30 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyd.livejournal.com
I think it's an east coast thing. People out here never ask, but back east people always wanted to know where I was was from. The usual guesses were Russian or Jewish. (I am neither, but looking at old pictures of me I can see why, and it never bothered me). It was a common conversation I had a stock answer to because my own ethnic background is so complicated. Everyone else in my neighborhood growing up could do halves and quarters and eighths except me.

One of the few things I miss about the east coast is all the variation in faces.

Out here, most people who aren't first or second generation or a member of a tribe don't know where their families are from. there is a theory that the lack of roots is pert of why white power groups have an easier time recruiting here.

But here's the thing, I am sick of being told -- whether it's by political factions in this country or The Brady Bunch -- that I'm doing it wrong. I'm sick of being told that America values individuality, only to be told in the next breath I'm not really from here because I'm from New York or of the wrong faith or fuck in ways you deem too dirty to be called love.

I am so with you here. That "real America" crap infuriates me. Why is my way of being American somehow less valid than theirs? Why do I magically not count because I exercise my constitutionally protected right to be different? Why am I less of an American because I value constitution over flag, am allergic to hot dogs and apple pie, and exercise my religious freedom by being Buddhist, not christian? I have voted in every election I've been legally allowed to except for one that fell to close to a move for me to get my paperwork in order. This is my country too, and it pisses me off that because I choose to vote my conscience, I'm magically unAmerican.

Date: 2010-06-30 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kireishojo.livejournal.com
The facial variance and skin tone variance is something i miss from my childhood growing up in SoCal as a gringa in a barrio. I miss having the neighbors from all over south america and central america, the san salvidorians, the el salvidorians, the mexicans and all those whose nationalities i never learned. I miss going to a school where being white meant that you were only part of a third of the school population not the majority.

I also get tired of being told that my experiences aren't relevant to the politcal debate because i'm 'brainwashed by the liberal media', 'not angry enough at the government', because i support social saftey networks, or because i didn't grow up in the good parts of LA county and therefor don't understand how the 'immigrants' are stealing jobs from 'us poor misunderstood anglos'.

Wow.

Date: 2010-06-30 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-ogre.livejournal.com
I am seriously impressed. I read your post, then the one it is in answer to, and some of the commentary.

I know that I would not be able to be this cogent and accurate in response to the the original poster - though I don't have the option (I don't see a reply link).

Thank you for posting this. I have some of the same ethnic and cultural background that you do, and your post hits home very hard.

Re: Wow.

Date: 2010-06-30 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you.

The OP has turned off commenting, but did respond upthread if you'd like to engage with her.

And this was not as cogent as it could have been, although more cogent than my initial rage at her there.
Edited Date: 2010-06-30 05:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-06-30 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sixteenbynine.livejournal.com
I must have gotten lucky. I have never met anyone who thought (or at least said out loud) that dropping the hyphenate from "anything-American" was a good idea.

I have an analogy, of sorts.

I have a weird name IRL. A really weird name, even by the standards of my own birthplace. I know people who have changed their names as soon as they were able to fill out the paperwork, and who had names not half as odd as mine. I never once thought about doing that, because a) that name, good or bad, is as me as it gets, and b) one of the advantages of having a name like that is you find that people almost never forget you, not even after decades have gone by.

(Or maybe they just have better memories for names than I do.)

I think of myself as more American (U.S.-ian, maybe) than Turkish, but that's mostly because my folks came here, with me in tow, when I was but a wee lad of a few months. But I would be quite the fool to insist that the best way to be a nation is to dump all that silly "ethnic" baggage, because it isn't.

I'm not the best example of that -- I haven't exactly kept the closest ties with my roots -- but the name stays. The name stays.

(I did have more sense than to force my wife to accept it, though. She was more than happy with hers.)

Date: 2010-06-30 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyd.livejournal.com
I have a weird name for the US too. (I am told it's quite common in its region of origin, bit over here, if you spell it like I do, you are related to me, and if you spell it differently, your family likely came from the same city or it's environs.)

I never even considered changing it. it's part of my history and who I am, just like my cheek bones and the shape of my nose.

Date: 2010-06-30 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com
It's possible to honor one's varied ethnicities, recognize American exceptionalism as a story we all grew up hearing over and over, realize we're flawed and still, you know, love the concept of America. And by that I don't mean middle-American conventions or anything that stereotypically defines us.

However, I do think some of these things, these cultural traditions (which can differ depending where in the US you live) -- things like homecoming and school reunions and those Thanksgiving sweet potatoes I make for guests even though I hate those things, and the like -- give us a common experience people value as "ours", culturally. Otherwise, why would a young woman barred from bringing her girlfriend to the prom bug us so much? It's not only the horrendous bigotry, but also because it's because it's her prom, which has such a huge mythology in our culture (good and bad) and ruining a teenager's prom is so... wrong.

But being ethnically-hyphenated and hyped to talk about it is one of our traditions, too. Being part of subcultures from Knights of Columbus to southern college football fandom to "this is the way we do things in New York/Santa Fe/Memphis and we like it that way, dammit" are all parts of our culture. (Which isn't an exceptional thing globally either.) It would be weird to me to hear someone say they're just generically "American". I don't know anyone who does that. Even people who don't embrace a specific ethnic identity other than EuroHeinz identify by US region or subculture in some way.

For a country which grants legal residence to over a million new immigrants a year, these common experiences aren't a bad thing.

(I just... can't use "USian" after years spent living outside the US, where people ask where you're from, you say "the US. Blah-de-blah state" and you are henceforth dubbed "the American" anyway.)
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"The American"

Date: 2010-06-30 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
If a Canadian or other "Hemispheric American"(*shrug*)calls them on it, Europeans will acknowledge that they're being sloppy. Yanks just look at you like you suddenly started speaking Sanskrit with a Harappan accent
Canadians do it too, but not without a subtext of being slightly annoyed, although not necessarily right at this minute. In my head I think U.S./Yank and I'm generally thinking nice things.

I like Americans. Except, you know, when I don't.

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Date: 2010-06-30 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brilliant-snark.livejournal.com
My dad used to call us "Heinz 57", mom said we were "Baskin Robbins 31 Flavors". My hyphens go on and on. Some of them are just there, in the distance, and some have made a huge impact on who I am and how I identify, and what shaped my family and experience. I've been mistaken for things I'm not time and again based on appearance, my name, or where I was at the time.

Anyway, this post, and the one you previously linked to, just reminded me of my first ethnic studies class in college. The first day, the prof asked everyone in the class what they wished to be identified as. We had Latinas and Chicanos and Asian Pacific Islanders...and then one Caucasian girl raised her hand and said if everyone was choosing their own label, then she wanted to be acknowledged as Russian-American. The prof looked over her glasses at her, and said "No, you're just white" and then proceeded to let the rest of the class chose their own labels. That moment was when I choose to keep my head down and mouth shut and just get through the class.

Date: 2010-06-30 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maryling.livejournal.com
Ah, closing comments. Classy!

I'm a third generation American US-ian on both sides, from families who apparently didn't want to hold on to traditions from the Old Country. So I don't really do much hyphenation myself. But I live in New York, so I'm around tons upon tons of people who do. I think this argument hit home for me because my utterly conservative, offensively-minded Republican father has said the same thing a time or two, and I can't talk back to him about it - it's really not worth the rage induced by abnormal brain chemistry.

If I'd had the chance, I would have liked to respond to her comment to me by saying that the America she's experienced is not the America I've experienced - and that's ok in and of itself. But she shouldn't be generalizing everyone's America based on her views since clearly, not everyone has the same experiences. Also, that I'd like to see where I was 'whining.' And finally, that even if I don't want to be married myself, it's important that I have the *right* to marry if I so chose.

Apologies for borrowing your space but I just wanted to have the chance to reply, which had been denied by the OP - [sarcasm] she restricted my American freedoms! [/sarcasm]

Date: 2010-06-30 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
It's all good. The "whining" comment happened after I had to go cool off, so feel free to vent here.

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From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
Of course the Russians love their children too.
Exactly what Sting said, talking about the song on CBC radio(?)about the time you're talking about.

Date: 2010-06-30 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
The U.S. is a nation of emigrants. That is its glory.
New York is the city that emigrants built. There is none like it.
Canada is a nation of emigrants. That is its hope.

Date: 2010-06-30 12:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sethg
“We’re Americans. Do you know what that means? It means we were kicked out of every decent country in the world.” —Bill Murray

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