Now, granted, your consideration of others about your kids is awesome, as is your consideration of your kids about others (kids don't always want to be in adult spaces anymore than all adults welcome kids in all adult spaces), and I appreciate and welcome that. You are awesome, and if you are awesome, I'm sorry that some people are such assholes to you about the fact that hey, having kids was the best choice for you.
I'm gluten-free, because gluten causes me harm. Other people's reasonably behaved (in a kid-like way that, yes, is sometimes loud or crying) kids, unless they randomly, literally bite my ankles or have a meltdown on a plane (and what can you do about that, sometimes I feel like I'm going to have a meltdown on a plane too; kids melting down on planes, I stand with you in solidarity!) don't cause me harm. I don't need to deal with them like they're an allergen, and in most cases, neither does anyone else.
As a person without kids, who thinks kids are pretty okay but will say something to a parent if they don't tell their kid to stop smacking me on the subway (hello, Monday), I'd really like if people like me, you know, existed, as opposed to these caricatures that people fall into of "Parent who will beat you over the head with their child's car seat" and "child-free person whose freedom is destroyed every time they see a child from anything less than 500ft."
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:39 pm (UTC)We do. You're not alone on the definition. I think a lot of the hardcore "childfree" (in scare quotes because they're more childphobic than anything) have given the reasonable ones a bad name, and I'm tired of having to explain that I use childfree as an alternative to the unwieldy childless-by-choice, and certainly as an alternative to plain old childless (that implies a reason other than choice, and I do have some choice in this matter. Infertile women do not, for example).
Like queer, it's a term that's just loaded with implications, and outside the proper circles, I hesitate to bandy it about.
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 03:42 pm (UTC)Heh. If it weren't for the internet, I wouldn't even know who she is. But I learned a couple years ago, and also learned to just throw my head back and laugh and laugh and laugh until it hurt to breathe, because DAMN. You have to really work hard to be that ignorant and offensive, and you can actually SEE her working at it. I mean, gears grinding and smoke and needle skips and everything. She's visibly trying to be ~*edgy*~.
Once you see how empty-headed she is, it becomes much easier to laugh at her idiocy, then promptly relegate her to the dustbin.
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 03:44 pm (UTC)kicks basic account that does not allow me to edit comments...
Date: 2010-07-28 03:44 pm (UTC)kids melting down on planes, I stand with you in solidarity!
We traveled extensively when The Boy was very young. While he was a good flyer I will always be grateful for the wonderful tip I got from a former flight attendant:
Buy a big bag of foam earplugs and if your frequent flyer perks include drink coupons by all means bring them along (if not bring some cash to buy drinks if needed). I can only remember two legs where he was was fussy and annoying to others and being able to pass out ear plugs and tickets for free alcohol improved the situation immensely! We felt less helpless and our fellow passengers were appreciative and more willing to cut us a little slack.
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:45 pm (UTC)I've often suggested "unenkidded" to describe folks who choose not to have kids. It seems to be free of the baggage encumbering other descriptors.
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 03:48 pm (UTC)But I also know that by being your friend, my antennae are up about it.
(Neil Gaiman and Zooey Deschanel come to mind first.)
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:49 pm (UTC)Re: kicks basic account that does not allow me to edit comments...
Date: 2010-07-28 03:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 04:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 04:14 pm (UTC)Mmmf, yes, it seems to be an outright war some days, doesn't it? But really, most people are pretty reasonable on the issue of kids. It's just that both the Mommier-Than-Thou contingent and their OMGCHILDFREE4EVA counterparts yell louder and longer, and drown the reasonable folk out.
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Date: 2010-07-28 04:14 pm (UTC)Re: kicks basic account that does not allow me to edit comments...
Date: 2010-07-28 04:16 pm (UTC)Seriously, even just a moment of sympathetic eye-contact would make me immeasurably less annoyed.
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Date: 2010-07-28 04:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 04:29 pm (UTC)Rarely do I find myself describe my life as money-free, success-free or broccoli-free.
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Date: 2010-07-28 04:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 04:31 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-07-28 04:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 04:35 pm (UTC)I settle on "kidlet" now if said fetus is supposed to grow to term. Gender-neutral, positive toward fetus, fluffy. Never had anyone argue with me on that one. :-)
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Date: 2010-07-28 04:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-28 04:38 pm (UTC)2. I've been assaulted for being gay. I've never been assaulted for not having kids. I am uncomfortable with this comparison (although I do ABSOLUTELY believe you that people without kids can be harassed about it or treated unfairly (probably to a degree I'd find startling) especially in other parts of the country) for that reason and others.
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Date: 2010-07-28 05:04 pm (UTC)I will not comment on the latest offensive thing out of Elizabeth Hasslebeck's mouth. I will not comment on the latest offensive thing out of Elizabeth Hasslebeck's mouth. I will not comment on the latest offensive thing out of Elizabeth Hasslebeck's mouth. I will not comment on the latest offensive thing out of Elizabeth Hasslebeck's mouth.
How about the most offensive thing? Or are you spoiled for choice then?