Now, granted, your consideration of others about your kids is awesome, as is your consideration of your kids about others (kids don't always want to be in adult spaces anymore than all adults welcome kids in all adult spaces), and I appreciate and welcome that. You are awesome, and if you are awesome, I'm sorry that some people are such assholes to you about the fact that hey, having kids was the best choice for you.
I'm gluten-free, because gluten causes me harm. Other people's reasonably behaved (in a kid-like way that, yes, is sometimes loud or crying) kids, unless they randomly, literally bite my ankles or have a meltdown on a plane (and what can you do about that, sometimes I feel like I'm going to have a meltdown on a plane too; kids melting down on planes, I stand with you in solidarity!) don't cause me harm. I don't need to deal with them like they're an allergen, and in most cases, neither does anyone else.
As a person without kids, who thinks kids are pretty okay but will say something to a parent if they don't tell their kid to stop smacking me on the subway (hello, Monday), I'd really like if people like me, you know, existed, as opposed to these caricatures that people fall into of "Parent who will beat you over the head with their child's car seat" and "child-free person whose freedom is destroyed every time they see a child from anything less than 500ft."
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:39 pm (UTC)We do. You're not alone on the definition. I think a lot of the hardcore "childfree" (in scare quotes because they're more childphobic than anything) have given the reasonable ones a bad name, and I'm tired of having to explain that I use childfree as an alternative to the unwieldy childless-by-choice, and certainly as an alternative to plain old childless (that implies a reason other than choice, and I do have some choice in this matter. Infertile women do not, for example).
Like queer, it's a term that's just loaded with implications, and outside the proper circles, I hesitate to bandy it about.
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:45 pm (UTC)I've often suggested "unenkidded" to describe folks who choose not to have kids. It seems to be free of the baggage encumbering other descriptors.
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Date: 2010-07-28 07:32 pm (UTC)Kids are great as long as they don't live at my house and I don't have to raise them! For some reason, many people find this unconscionable. If I had a nickel for every "yes, I've been in a relationship with a man for 13 years. No, we neither have nor want children" conversation I've had to endure from well-meaning relatives, I'd have a lot of nickels.
But though I think of myself as childfree, I don't usually use the term, just because it does have that unfortunate connotation of a person who begrudges paying for schools or something. Hey, I vote yes on every school-based referendum!
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:42 pm (UTC)Heh. If it weren't for the internet, I wouldn't even know who she is. But I learned a couple years ago, and also learned to just throw my head back and laugh and laugh and laugh until it hurt to breathe, because DAMN. You have to really work hard to be that ignorant and offensive, and you can actually SEE her working at it. I mean, gears grinding and smoke and needle skips and everything. She's visibly trying to be ~*edgy*~.
Once you see how empty-headed she is, it becomes much easier to laugh at her idiocy, then promptly relegate her to the dustbin.
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:44 pm (UTC)kicks basic account that does not allow me to edit comments...
Date: 2010-07-28 03:44 pm (UTC)kids melting down on planes, I stand with you in solidarity!
We traveled extensively when The Boy was very young. While he was a good flyer I will always be grateful for the wonderful tip I got from a former flight attendant:
Buy a big bag of foam earplugs and if your frequent flyer perks include drink coupons by all means bring them along (if not bring some cash to buy drinks if needed). I can only remember two legs where he was was fussy and annoying to others and being able to pass out ear plugs and tickets for free alcohol improved the situation immensely! We felt less helpless and our fellow passengers were appreciative and more willing to cut us a little slack.
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Date: 2010-07-28 03:54 pm (UTC)Re: kicks basic account that does not allow me to edit comments...
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Date: 2010-07-28 04:29 pm (UTC)Rarely do I find myself describe my life as money-free, success-free or broccoli-free.
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Date: 2010-07-28 05:04 pm (UTC)I will not comment on the latest offensive thing out of Elizabeth Hasslebeck's mouth. I will not comment on the latest offensive thing out of Elizabeth Hasslebeck's mouth. I will not comment on the latest offensive thing out of Elizabeth Hasslebeck's mouth. I will not comment on the latest offensive thing out of Elizabeth Hasslebeck's mouth.
How about the most offensive thing? Or are you spoiled for choice then?
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Date: 2010-07-28 05:06 pm (UTC)I love public transport and extol it wherever I go, but the MTA needs an attitude adjustment.
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Date: 2010-07-28 05:13 pm (UTC)I have an incredibly weird and ambivalent reaction to that. On the one hand, I can definitely see where this shift comes from. When someone carved a swastika into my driveway a few years ago, my initial reaction was, "Did somebody mistake my pentagram for a Star of David again?" (Followed by a slightly freaked out and ultimately pointless call to the police, who did absolutely nothing except possibly log the call. They didn't even seem to want do that, despite my insistence that there should be a record in case anything else happened in our neighborhood.) It was pointed out to me then that most likely whatever bored and destructive kids did it probably have no idea what it means and just associate it with "badness."
That, of course, leads to the opposite side of the ambivalence. Because it is a symbol used to mean everything from "holy" to "good luck" in other parts of the world. There are a couple of pieces of Eastern jewelry that I own but will never wear because it's part of the symbolism, and even knowing the history and origins in that context, it just completely makes my skin crawl. (I should really find someone to pass them on to who wouldn't have that issue.) So there's part of me that would like to see it lose those horrible associations ... but expanding it to just general badness and hate isn't exactly a step in that direction either.
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Date: 2010-07-29 12:41 am (UTC)It's disturbing that the reason the swastika is being downgraded as a specifically anti-Semitic symbol is because people seem to be forgetting how it was actually used or at least using it in harassing others who aren't Jewish. If it were some other reason, such as a widening awareness of other uses for it, that would be one thing. But this suggests that younger generations aren't as keenly aware of what that symbol was made to mean in what is still fairly recent history, just have some vague idea of it being associated with "badness" and hatred generally. And yet as the article goes on to say, there's been an increase in violent crimes against Jews. There's some connection there that the article never quite makes and that I'm not quite able to put a finger on other than to say that it's troubling.
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Date: 2010-07-28 05:50 pm (UTC)Seriously, go raise the prices on something nonessential.
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Date: 2010-07-28 09:59 pm (UTC)Seriously! When my sisters used to throw tantrums, I'd just hold them and say, "Yup, I feel like this sometimes, too."
I don't need to deal with them like they're an allergen, and in most cases, neither does anyone else.
And yet some people do. They are annoyed, and they act like they're being harmed.
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Date: 2010-07-29 01:29 am (UTC)I'll bite. What did she say?
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Date: 2010-07-29 01:31 am (UTC)But thanks for apologizing for them! I do agree they give a bad name to people who decide not to have children, and I think it sucks that people (mainly women) get so much pressure to have children when they don't want to.
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Date: 2010-07-29 02:35 pm (UTC)And ouch. Your 30-day unlimited passes are way more expensive than ours. OTOH, we're just the opposite in terms of car-friendliness.
The child-free assumption is a strange one. I'd never read you as rabidly anti-kid, regardless of what I'd guessed about any possible plans. My bafflement, let me show you it.