Collective apology is not the same thing as collective guilt is not the same thing as collective mandated self-hatred is not the same as individual expressing regret/remorse/apology for wrongs done by the society in which they live regardless of their level of personal complicity in them. And yet many of us, especially those of us in privileged positions tend to engage in the discussion in a way where we're obviously not seeing these distinctions. We talk a lot in these discussions about sitting down, shutting up and listening to what other people have to say; that's good stuff. Sitting down, shutting up and thinking about the nuances of words, however, can also be a big help.
Btw, when I post stuff like this it's because I've been thinking about my own impulses towards defensiveness and seeing the ways in which they don't make sense or aren't fair to other people or actively harm me as well.
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Date: 2010-09-21 02:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 04:27 pm (UTC)That said, I'm not sure they should have been combined, either. It's been an eye-opener to see supporters of DADT's repeal descend into racist anti-immigration rants, and supporters of the Dream Act get all homophobic as they each rant about having been inappropriately combined, in the same thread (not here, obviously; elsewhere)...
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Date: 2010-09-21 04:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 05:09 pm (UTC)And boy do I hear you about wishing that riders didn't exist, that bills stayed on their one topic and didn't get weighed down with so much extra that congresscritters literally can't -- however much some of the might want to -- read and go thru the bills carefully before having to vote on them.