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Date: 2010-10-28 04:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-28 04:28 pm (UTC)And then I passed out from cute overload.
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Date: 2010-10-28 04:40 pm (UTC)i do not dispute the rest of what he says; my energy right now is on recovering from this rather than explaining my view of what happened (not that i'm saying mine disagrees much with his). it's just that that point is wrong, and i'd like us to get in trouble for what we actually did. [sighs]
--your friendly local wiscon concom member.
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Date: 2010-10-28 04:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-28 04:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-28 05:43 pm (UTC)But at least it means his word isn't likely to be accepted as gospel by all readers. If that helps.
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Date: 2010-10-28 06:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-28 07:15 pm (UTC)There are issues with this particular poster; they're evidently longstanding; I thought it was perhaps a useful piece of information. Nothing more.
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Date: 2010-10-28 04:55 pm (UTC)I don't know, I think most of us could use lessons on intersectionality, but I've seen enough sexism from him in the past that he's not the one I would choose to take lessons from.
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Date: 2010-10-28 05:03 pm (UTC)Cis, white male fen have plenty of their own fail, but the situations he's referring to are pretty much female-dominated spaces.
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Date: 2010-10-28 05:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-28 07:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-28 08:17 pm (UTC)And as I said, I don't disagree with him either on this point. It's certainly nothing in this case worth calling out (and thus derailing). Just hearing some dissonant notes.
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Date: 2010-10-29 02:32 am (UTC)And the next breeder (specifically: speshul str8 wymnz) who tries to mansplain/white-cite/straight-talk down to me and defend that walking heterosexism simply because they have a homophobic fetish because they're too fucking trifling to deal with their own sexuality, I'm paying them a visit with a lead pipe in tow.
I'm not saying that he doesn't have the right to strong feelings about homophobia and fetishism directed at gay men within fandom, but that language--directed at women--creeps me out. And it's a consistent pattern with him, enough that it starts to bother me, despite the "oh, it's just hyperbole" defense.
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Date: 2010-10-29 02:46 am (UTC)But he's black, so a bunch of white people are falling all over themselves congratulating him for being misogynistic and speaking for WoC. Well done, fandom! Sexist, racist, and all around clueless.
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Date: 2010-10-29 03:54 am (UTC)Yes, that's inconvenient that he isn't white, isn't it? I know how that goes.
In the few months I've been following his posts, he's spoken up for women of color like me about, oh, 100x more than anyone else who isn't a woman of color. In light of that, comments about porcelain vaginas don't bother me that much. I prefer occasionally offensive support over serene indifference.
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Date: 2010-10-29 05:34 am (UTC)In light of that, comments about porcelain vaginas don't bother me that much.
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In light of that, comments about porcelain vaginas don't bother me that much. I prefer occasionally offensive support over serene indifference.
And you also prefer straw-man arguments over logic, apparently. Done with you. Anyone who is so blind and so happy to defend a man and seek his approval rather than think about some of the concerns women have about his misogyny has some serious issues and is just too far gone for me.
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Date: 2010-10-29 11:53 am (UTC)I'm not dismissing others' concerns of misogyny. They just don't bother me personally that much. Men are all misogynist to some degree (so are women, really) and if I'm forced to choose between one case of misogynist commission versus a massive resounding wall of racist omission, it's really no choice at all. I'm sorry if my lack of loyalty to the sanctity of the vagina offends you... wait, actually, I'm not sorry at all :D
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Date: 2010-10-30 01:55 pm (UTC)....
You're a fucking moron. Would it be okay if I dismissed someone's racism with "White people are all racist to some degree?" Or if I dismissed their homophobia with "straight people are all homophobic to some degree?"
Seriously, stop sucking his dick. It doesn't make you special or edgy, it just makes you another pathetic woman in fandom who is so desperate for male approval you don't care how many other women you step over to get it.
- DA
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Date: 2010-10-30 03:21 pm (UTC)It would depend heavily on the context. I have to accept a certain level of background racism from white people all the time. I assume LGBTQ people have to do the same with heteronormative stuff. If I stopped talking to any white person who wasn't perfect on racial issues, I wouldn't talk to any white people. In fact, I probably couldn't even talk to myself.
And no, I don't care how many of you ridiculous cowards stewing in white resentment over at fail_fandomanon my support/dick-sucking happens to irritate. So flame on... although the ultimate duration of your ridiculousness is whatever rm decides, as for me, I don't mind.
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Date: 2010-10-28 06:12 pm (UTC)Because as a cis white male fan, the latter, so not true. We're very capable of, and commonly perpetrators of, exactly this sort of fail.
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Date: 2010-10-28 06:59 pm (UTC)Also, he's talking specifically about feminism, intersectionality, and the fails thereof, which aren't going to have as much to do with cis white male fail.
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Date: 2010-10-28 05:21 pm (UTC)It's probably not going to be good news.
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Date: 2010-10-28 05:26 pm (UTC)The people interviewed about the chess boards didn't seem to realize that chess is symmetric. It's exactly the same game if you play it on the mirror-image board. It just doesn't fit the patterns you recognize by sight (which is a really significant factor). Glad they fixed they promptly.
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Date: 2010-10-28 05:37 pm (UTC)Checking out the public chess and intersectionality links. I missed sundries.
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Date: 2010-10-28 06:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-28 06:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-28 10:05 pm (UTC)And damn, Neo-Prodigy is summarising a lot of badness I've seen - it's kind of depressing to see it altogether there
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Date: 2010-10-29 02:37 am (UTC)A particular restroom in my office building does that to me. I'm glad I'm not self-conscious about gesticulating while on the toilet to make sure the sensor senses me. It's kind of fun.
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Date: 2010-10-29 01:04 pm (UTC)That happens at my chiropractor's office sometimes and it's very disconcerting!