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ladyofthelog is over and we're cleaning the house, but I'm having introvert time by writing this post.Also a plus, somewhat surprisingly, is the deep cynicism of the dude teaching the class. Whereas the the Luhrmann thing was like "just do what you want and sometimes it will be a devastating experience and sometimes it will be awesome" this dude is like "fuck you, fuck art, this is how you make money, don't fucking waste your time making shorts, make schlock for this much, and then this much and then this much and then 'lo you will have a budget to do what you want." The benefit of this approach even if it doesn't really mesh with my sort of "all things are possible" call to arms bullshit, is it makes me not feel the near moral obligation to Make Things Right Now, which is good, since I'm plenty in the throes of multiple projects right now (D&J! D&J!), and therefore I should only be nosing around at such endeavors and scheduling them for Time Other.
Funniest thing that's easy to explain right now: You're the producer/director on a 3-week indie film shoot. The first week = fun! The second week = zombie exhaustion! Third week = everyone hates you. Then it's over, you pass out, wake up four days later, find out your cast had a party without you. How do you avoid this? 2 week film shoot! I'm still laughing.
ladyofthelog and I have discovered that have exploded in the kitchen at some point: grains of some sort, sugar, a box of chai tea, green food coloring. Yay! ETA: Also, spiders, spiders living in Spider Lothlorien. Yeah, my Saturday night is great.
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Date: 2010-12-12 02:37 am (UTC)Also, I think you would find this interesting...
http://www.babeswithblades.org/competition.htm
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Date: 2010-12-12 02:40 am (UTC)Yet then the fandom that invented "pre-slash" in place of "G-rated" gets all shy and warns for guys actually touching each other in a romantic manner. *shakes my head*
Re: the Torchwood audios - Kai Owen reads one of them; he was talking about it at ChicagoTARDIS. Apparently there's a scene where Rhys breaks a knob off of something in Ianto's apartment, which led to a 6-minute digression about screwing Ianto's knob back on, with both KO & GD-L repeatedly turning to the howling audience saying "What? We're just talking about appliances!"
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Date: 2010-12-12 08:55 am (UTC)I'm seriously thinking of posting a fic to that comm with "warning:man beating corpse with riding whip while besotted young woman looks adoringly on no, oops, sorry that's canon" warning.
Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 01:35 pm (UTC)Speaking of lurking, I'm terrible about reading fic and not commenting, so let me take the belated opportunity to say I'm a fan of your writing. I hope Amanda gets more adventures, particularly. I like the dynamic of her and little Sherlock.
*I'm assuming the gender. I'm also assuming that this may be a reason why a competitor to
Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 01:48 pm (UTC)Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 02:00 pm (UTC)As fun as the fanart, fic, vids, etc., are, if anyone ever finds a discussion-only comm for Sherlock or Sherlock Holmes, I would LOVE to know about it. Sometimes I just want to discuss aspergers or Mike Stamford's changing interpretations.
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Date: 2010-12-12 06:51 pm (UTC)Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 07:05 pm (UTC)It's a bit scary that I've gone from "Yeah, it would be nice but" to "this is what would make it happen" in about 5 minutes...
Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 07:24 pm (UTC)YES, YES, YES! First of all, there are plenty of people who want to talk about *their* favorite version, and the more members, the more likely it will survive. Second and selfishly, I enjoy the discussions that pull in aspects from different versions a bit more.
Oh, golly. I'm out and about and unreliably away from the primary computer until January 3. But then...
Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 07:56 pm (UTC)Let's see if we can get a couple more people in (I'm batting my eyes at in this thread) and once we've got a group we can email back and forth figuring out names and policies and things so that we can be ready to launch on the 6th.
Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 03:30 pm (UTC)What was the allegedly overdone topic?
Thanks for the kind word about the fic. I see the Amanda series as potentially going up in five year increments, without prejudice to the possibility of going back in and filling in a few details.
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Date: 2010-12-12 04:21 pm (UTC)I wouldn't know; that would involve going back to the discussion I was at and finding the one you mentioned to compare... and I'm lazy. Seems a safe bet, though; the evidence points to a single mod who's more interested in Being The Mod than being a fellow fan with mod privileges.
What was the allegedly overdone topic?
"I'm a high-functioning sociopath" - is he or isn't he, and if he isn't, what is he? It *has* been discussed before, but seems to me that if people still want to discuss it - and it was thread of decent size - then have at. Especially as this time there were plenty of references back to original canon, which IMO added a new dimension.
without prejudice to the possibility of going back in and filling in a few details
It's the dynamic of watching little Sherlock develop into the Sherlock we met that I could eat with a spoon all day - I adore seeing the genesis of his bent brilliance. I'm not finding a lot of stories like those, but I may not be looking in the right places.
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Date: 2010-12-12 05:54 pm (UTC)Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 07:02 pm (UTC)Agreed - he seems to have just come out with that to freak Anderson out, IMO. It's one of the reasons why I have trouble with the "Holmes as actual psychotic" stories.
On the other hand, Sherlock doesn't appear to be neurotypical either, and there are aspects of the original Sherlock Holmes that can be argued that he's aping socially acceptable behavior rather than actually understanding how and why society works the way it works. (It can be equally argued that he knows perfectly well, he just doesn't *care,* which is a different issue.) So there's a wealth of stuff to play with and discuss.
I'd love a more in-depth discussion of Sherlock as a bullied child, because he's certainly a bullied adult; we watch it over and over and aside from the lashout at Sally, he takes it with surprising meekness. Obviously he simply accepts being treated in that manner as one of the annoying facts about the world, and he doesn't appear to know the difference between being bullied and affectionately teased.
(How far
Or perhaps after the holidays I should actually look for people to help me try to start that Sherlock/Sherlock Holmes discussion-only comm and cross my fingers that it wouldn't die on the vine. Wanna mod a comm?
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Date: 2010-12-13 07:55 am (UTC)Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-13 11:50 am (UTC)*is sadly ignorant of how to do this* I will when I figure out how!
While I look forward to more of your fic, I think the comm is going to happen and you'll be welcome there when it opens. (note to self; figure out how to open a comm to OpenID posting) Hopefully there will not be misunderstandings and grief, that wouldn't be the point!
There have been one or two fics that spawned reaction discussions on SherlockBBC - maybe it'll work out that way! Because I really would love to pursue the whole Sherlock as a bullied child thread.
Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-13 07:11 pm (UTC)There will, I suspect, always be misunderstandings, but with mods holding a light rein it may mean people work past them rather than come up against them and turn away (on both sides) baffled.
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Date: 2010-12-13 11:57 pm (UTC)I'm trying that now and crossing my fingers.I tried and I'm confusing the system because I also have a DW account. So let's try putting that on the filter, if you're willing, and I'll set it to email me when you post.A couple of experienced mods have raised their hands to join us, people I know to be level-headed in a different, often hot-headed fandom, so I'm hoping the meta comm will be a go and provide a service to Holmesian fandom. To be honest, I'm really quite surprised that a fandom this old (Holmes, not Sherlock) doesn't have something like it already.
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Date: 2010-12-12 08:51 pm (UTC)i'd like to find a good rec comm or fic rec list somewhere, though, b/c i'm too lazy to go look through all the comms and even delicious tags
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Date: 2010-12-12 09:07 pm (UTC)Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 09:19 pm (UTC)the problem is, i haven't found THE fic for me, yet - you know, the one that just makes me go 'yes, this exactly!' and i think it's probably b/c not many are written from sherlock's POV and when they are, he doesn't sound right to me...
i know john is supposed to be the audience's way into sherlock's world, but he's not the one i... i don't want to say 'identify with' but something along those lines - i understand the world from sherlock's POV moreso than from john's (uh, not that i'm a genius or anything, b/c i am not)
maybe i'm just too picky :(
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Date: 2010-12-12 09:49 pm (UTC)Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 10:06 pm (UTC)this one i read recently: http://archiveofourown.org/works/133861 is john POV and very much isn't my personal sherlock interpretation, but it was SO GOOD and it still worked perfectly for me - more like this would be good
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Date: 2010-12-12 10:12 pm (UTC)Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-12 10:55 pm (UTC)i'd better bookmark it this time so i don't have to keep scrolling back though my history to find it!
i think i may be a case of 'the fic i want will not exist until i write it myself!'
BUT I DON'T WANT TO
Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-13 12:55 am (UTC)Re: Sherlock batty warning conventions
Date: 2010-12-13 01:29 am (UTC)Not in Death and Resurrection of the English Language, but in the next one or the one after (I'm losing track of the names of the stories in order of the cycle)
But I'm not as off put as I think I'm supposed to be
This is where I say YMMV and one fan's meat is another fan's poison and other cliches. We're each bringing not only our own experiences, but our own limits (not limitations, but the "thou shall not pass/thou might negotiate" limits) to it, and those are as personal as taste; what freaks one person out the next won't even blink at.
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Date: 2010-12-12 02:57 am (UTC)If you want to read a fantastic horror story about an indie production, check out this article: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=592323&hp
I saw the movie -- everyone called it "the gay Lovecraft movie" in reviews -- and thought it was quite good, although it sprawled too much. Knowing the story behind it, and how it almost led to the writer's suicide, twice, was really fascinating.
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Date: 2010-12-12 02:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-12 03:48 am (UTC)OMG Spider Lothlorien sounds horrible. I think if I found that I might just move into a hotel and never go home. Ack.
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Date: 2010-12-12 03:50 am (UTC)Spider Lothlorien is horrible, but it is no more. As
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Date: 2010-12-12 05:22 am (UTC)I love this.
Nicole Kidman and John Cameron Mitchell
Date: 2010-12-12 03:56 am (UTC)You can’t tell someone they’re going to have an experience that’s useful to them. Whether we like it or not, at some point we’re going to be dealing with loss and if you don’t have tools, you’re not given tools by your religion, by your parents, by whatever, all we have is stories to help us...I think going through fire by watching a movie is the safe way, doing it vicariously and experiencing what the Greeks call catharsis; you could do it vicariously and you can be cleansed, you can be purged and you can be ready for life. That is the point of art.
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Date: 2010-12-12 03:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-12 06:38 am (UTC)I've skipped over many a fic due to warnings of "boy kissing".
I'm thinking of starting a discussion on that - somewhere - I dunno, because damn!
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Date: 2010-12-12 08:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-12 09:05 pm (UTC)Do you have any others? :)
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Date: 2010-12-12 09:15 pm (UTC)should make some more with all the other nonsense out there, though (ah, if only had the time! ...and a list of the nonsense to work from)
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Date: 2010-12-12 10:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-12 11:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-12 06:50 am (UTC)Presumably neither West Point nor Annapolis extend this tradition to their games against Air Force...
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Date: 2010-12-12 08:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-12 03:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-12 05:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-12-12 10:58 pm (UTC)I laughed. no I did. not at omg cynic don't listen but because sometimes your muse is telling you that you need a new refrigerator, and fuck you fuck art as an attitude while performing or producing art is STILL PERFORMING OR PRODUCING ART and not some damn phone jock job explaining to some furious git that the reason why his tv screen is black is because he didn't turn on the power.
No. really. I had to do that.
More than once.
A week.
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Date: 2010-12-13 11:10 pm (UTC)