It was Hurricane Who 2009, we were very late to the fandom
if you want to check our angstometers we started with COE (though the girls haven't seen day 4 or 5) and went backwards from there
I didn't mean to imply the con was negative, it wasn't, I was just shocked that a character would be bashed at all. Martha must be beloved by many in the audience and knowing how we geeky type identify with characters its doubly hurtful.
You are so insightful about Martha's story arc, I never looked at it that way but you are right. (Donna's my favorite and I've seen her bashed online too) Strangely I've never seen a character like, Mickey for example bashed.
Not trying to open a can of worms but was the racism fan created or perceived in the show? I've actually tried to look this up but haven't been able to find anything (darn joining fandom late)
Thank you, my girls were fine, we all got to meet Gareth (who was so sweet to them) they were probably more surprised with how blunt" Gareth was on stage than an off handed comment about Martha made by someone they didn't know. I noticed though and sadly the more I've been in the fandom the more the norm it seems.
I've never been to Hurricane Who, so can't comment. Gally is awesome because it just finished year 22. It knows how to navigate the stuff that can go wrong in fan culture.
The Martha stuff was very much in terms of fan reaction. She was openly vilified in some circles for not being white and was also the subject of marginally more veiled racist attacks. I sort of only saw the whole thing after it happened myself, but from what I have seen the racist stuff was mostly about whether she was attractive and objections for her standing up to the Doctor that were framed in a racist way.
Meanwhile, the non-racist Martha hate was about her pining after the Doctor and was largely from people who were already sick of the romance in the Rose plotline. Of course, Martha eventually gets over her thing for the Doctor, because she chooses to, but not one was really focusing on that.
Overall, I would say that as heated as things can get at Gally, it's very rare that the bad stuff is on display at the con AT ALL, which is part of why I was so surprised by the Buffy thing I talked about. Then again, we have lots and lots of kids and teens at Gally who are well-integrated into programming where appropriate while not stopping us from having both kids-only stuff and adults-only stuff.
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Date: 2011-02-22 05:12 am (UTC)if you want to check our angstometers we started with COE (though the girls haven't seen day 4 or 5) and went backwards from there
I didn't mean to imply the con was negative, it wasn't, I was just shocked that a character would be bashed at all. Martha must be beloved by many in the audience and knowing how we geeky type identify with characters its doubly hurtful.
You are so insightful about Martha's story arc, I never looked at it that way but you are right. (Donna's my favorite and I've seen her bashed online too) Strangely I've never seen a character like, Mickey for example bashed.
Not trying to open a can of worms but was the racism fan created or perceived in the show? I've actually tried to look this up but haven't been able to find anything (darn joining fandom late)
Thank you, my girls were fine, we all got to meet Gareth (who was so sweet to them) they were probably more surprised with how blunt" Gareth was on stage than an off handed comment about Martha made by someone they didn't know. I noticed though and sadly the more I've been in the fandom the more the norm it seems.
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Date: 2011-02-22 05:35 am (UTC)The Martha stuff was very much in terms of fan reaction. She was openly vilified in some circles for not being white and was also the subject of marginally more veiled racist attacks. I sort of only saw the whole thing after it happened myself, but from what I have seen the racist stuff was mostly about whether she was attractive and objections for her standing up to the Doctor that were framed in a racist way.
Meanwhile, the non-racist Martha hate was about her pining after the Doctor and was largely from people who were already sick of the romance in the Rose plotline. Of course, Martha eventually gets over her thing for the Doctor, because she chooses to, but not one was really focusing on that.
Overall, I would say that as heated as things can get at Gally, it's very rare that the bad stuff is on display at the con AT ALL, which is part of why I was so surprised by the Buffy thing I talked about. Then again, we have lots and lots of kids and teens at Gally who are well-integrated into programming where appropriate while not stopping us from having both kids-only stuff and adults-only stuff.