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Glee 3.07

Random stuff:

1. Did you spot the epic continuity error with the clothes in the first 15 minutes?

2. BEST KLAINE EPISODE EVER.

3. That look Blaine gives Kurt during "Constant Craving" -- they are fucking a lot

4. "We'll figure something out" -- again, Blaine is TOTALLY on board with the New York plan, even if he's a year behind.

5. I remain convinced that Kurt is going to get into NYADA, even with that sad, empty looking application.

6. Wow, they really down-played the Burt win. This is going to have a HUGE impact on Kurt and Finn's lives. Curious to see where we go.

7. Glad we finally have a parent-type figure who is unaccepting of a kid's sexuality. However, it still felt too easy -- Santana is safe and has somewhere to go. Was also interested that gay teen suicide was openly acknowledged.

8. "I Kissed A Girl" as a response to the douchebag rugby captain was FANTASTIC.

9. Did feel the episode was very murky about choice and sexual orientation. I actually hate the "it's all just how you're born" argument, but I didn't like this lack of clarity either.

10. I was uncomfortable with Finn's big plan. While it was touching in the end, it felt very concern troll-y and just because Santana had been outed didn't mean she had to be out.

11. Rachel! I cannot believe that your first response was "but I'll get suspended."

12. You'd think a girl with two dads would be less of an asshole about Kurt as a gay best friend accessory

13. Again, Kurt's clothes post 3.05 -- super feminine. I have thoughts, but perhaps no one wants them. Some of them are pervy.

14. So, Kurt's bullying arc is closed now. His struggles are going to be everyone else's now -- his future, his relationship, etc. So hang on.

15. Man, I cannot believe (in previews for next week) that those spoilers about Sam are true.

16. I can't believe that in one breath Puck was smart enough to acknowledge how broken Quinn is and in the next TOLD HER ABOUT SHELBY. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

17. Sugar Motta and the unicorn gesture, I love you.

18. Beiste! I predict the top selling songs of this ep will be "Perfect" followed by "Jolene."

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13. Again, Kurt's clothes post 3.05 -- super feminine. I have thoughts, but perhaps no one wants them. Some of them are pervy.

Oh please share :D

ikr.....i welcome pervy thoughts

I WANT YOUR THOUGHTS RE #13. You keep hinting at them and I keep hoping you'll post them! (Please?)

I keep waiting because I keep thinking I'm not seeing what I think I am seeing.

But no, I'm seeing what I think I am seeing: since 3.05 Kurt has dressed in masculine clothes when doing things that involve status (auditioning, student election) and feminine clothes for scenes that involve interaction with Blaine (lots of background moments in 3.06 in particular and here in 3.07 the divide was clear). I'm just fascinated.

Oh my god. I'm never going to be able to un-see that, and I don't think I ever want to. I also can't believe I didn't notice that before you pointed it out, as it's something I've always done -- interacting with the world in a more masculine way in public, but embracing my femininity within my relationships.

(Also: I wonder whether Chris had any part in this -- he did say at the New Yorker Festival that he's been working with the costume department this season, after all.)

(Also also: what an excellent excuse to go back and re-watch the Klaine scenes from the last three eps.)

Thanks for sharing, and if you decide to write a longer post elaborating on this, I'd be thrilled to see it!

It'll be happening. Having an email exchange for someone that's helping me noodle it out.

Awesome, good luck with the noodling. :) And happy to be an extra ear if you need one.

I adore your posts about clothes - I wish I had an eye for fashion, but I sadly don't, other than knowing that I particularly like something (men in tailored suits with waistcoats and women in fitted, flowing gowns being two of my favorite things.)

1. Did you spot the epic continuity error with the clothes in the first 15 minutes?

Is it Rachel's pink dress and Kurt's white shirt/studded scarf they were wearing during Puck's song in the choir room? These were the same outfits they had on in the hallway scene when discussing the election which had to be at least 2 days prior. At least that's what me and TiVo saw.

That's the one.

5. I remain convinced that Kurt is going to get into NYADA, even with that sad, empty looking application.

He won a national championship with the Cheerios as a vocalist in his second year of high school (sophomore?). His application isn't as empty as it looks. But yes, totally agreed, because I think part of the subtext of all this arc has been that it's focussing on the wrong things.

The audition, in the end, is what counts more than anything. I'm so glad he still went ahead and put that application in.

12. You'd think a girl with two dads would be less of an asshole about Kurt as a gay best friend accessory

Rachel's kind of always been all about getting and displaying as much straight privilege as she can get her hands on - right the way back to the early boyfriend hunt, and 'Wheels' and asserting that she should get the solo because her performacne was 'more accessible'.

it felt very concern troll-y

That's what's been bothering me about the whole thing: I just outed you and now I'm going to insist that you do 'out' in a way I can live with. totally guilt-motivated.

17. Sugar Motta and the unicorn gesture, I love you.

Sugar gives priceless background moments. Can we keep her?

Jolene was FABULOUS, and I've already bought Perfect. Go Bieste!!!!!

But yeah, so much stabbyness around 16, 12, and 10.

Actually, having hit "post", did it stand out to you how clumsy the "I kissed a girl" choreography was given how explicitly sexual so much of their movement has been in the past?

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"Jolene" has always been one of my favorite songs, and having it come from my favorite Glee character is the icing on the cake. I relate a lot to Bieste. I don't present as masculinely as she does, but other than that, I totally get the middle-aged woman who doesn't know how to relate to people romantically and feeling like she can't begin to compete.

You know you can't hold out on us with #13. And I wish I could say more than YES, YES, ALL OF THIS, but damn, I thought I might be crazy and alone in my feelings on this ep reading things elsewhere.

WHat are people saying elsewhere?

A lot of people disliked the episode. I personally wasn't a fan either, but it was less because of the Klaine end (which was adorable) and more because it was cluttered and rushed and a multitude of other, more personal reasons. I'm not a skilled television analyst, however, so I can't quite say how much of my dislike for the episode was due to said personal reasons or not.

I love reading your reactions though! :)

People are all up in arms Santana was getting suspended because of violence and two years of Kurt being bullied was swept under the rug/ignored. Which, I'm probably being too logical, but I thought Karofsky didn't actually touch Kurt in front of any teachers and Santana slapped another student in front of two teachers. They'd be stupid to not report it. Plus, it wasn't out and out stated, but did everyone forget about the no bullying campaign started last year? I guess if someone had pointed out Santana was part of the BullyWhips last year, it would have gone over better, but I really don't expect continuity in my Glee. When it happens, I'm jumping for joy but I REALLY don't come to expect it.

Also, Santana basically brushing off Perfect and breaking down during Finn's solo - ie, being told by a white heterosexual male it was okay to come out and then actually did. It was poor editing, sure, but I didn't take that from it at all - but I also have a shitton of Finn meta brewing since 306 that I should get my ass together and post so I'm probably looking at his actions differently than people. It was awkward and messed up as hell, like you said, but I'm not mortally offended by it and I really don't think the writers thought that far into it. Helping along Finn's jouney this season PLUS Santana's in one easy plot probably sounded like a piece of cake to them.

There's basically a lot of Santana can do no wrong/Finn can do no right floating around and they're both just stupid teenagers imo.

People are all up in arms Santana was getting suspended because of violence and two years of Kurt being bullied was swept under the rug/ignored. Which, I'm probably being too logical, but I thought Karofsky didn't actually touch Kurt in front of any teachers

to be fair, Schue used to regularly walk past Puck, Finn and a bunch of other football players on the brink of dumpsdtering Kurt in the first few episodes...

But, really, it's a school, and a school that was really lax about bullying and violence issues until Kurt's situation brought them to the fore last year. Shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted and punishing any other horse that even looks at it, no matter why, is kind of how they react.

There are reasons I'm not a high-school teacher any more; that's one of them.

They'd wait until his back was turned, though (you'll all work for me, etc - Schue is an AWFUL teacher, but that's a whole different post). All I'm saying is if Karofsky VISIBILY slapped Kurt in front of two teachers and they did nothing, then you could make the argument. One does not excuse the other. It's not right, I was a teacher too for many years, but like it or not, voilence that is seen is dealt with far more quickly than voilence that isn't. Especially when Kurt didn't tell Schue everything when they spoke in Never Been Kissed - again, Schue is an awful teacher, but in part because he's a clueless dolt who isn't smart enough to connect the dots.

Now that also goes back to Kurt didn't report because he thought nothing would happen, but it's a vicious cycle.

voilence that is seen is dealt with far more quickly than voilence that isn't

This is very true. But it's not always dealth with correctly, either. Schue was one of the people pulling Finn away when he was busy trying to batter Puck into unconsciousness in 'Sectionals', and not a hint of punishment for Finn there...

And that is the perfect example of what you can compare Santana's punishment to! Because neither incident was really bullying, it was just violence in reaction to the other person's actions. Finn definitely should have been punished for that since Will saw, but who knows, maybe Shelby has more of a backbone than him hence bringing Santana in.

Probably the fact that Finn's a straight white Golden Boy and Santana is a queer brown bad girl play into it more than a bit, too.

See, like I said above, I really don't buy into Finn can do no right/Santana can do no wrong most people do. They're both teenagers that make mistakes and Glee has shown they're both far from perfect.

It's not about can do no right/can do no wrong; it's about the hidden curriculum and the way that race issues, sexuality issues, class issues and student reputations play into the way teachers respond to different students. The indigenous students, the poor students, and the 'bad' students I taught pretty much expected to be called on the carpet even when they didn't do anything wrong, and the white, middle-class 'good' kids expected to get away with it when they did some pretty awful things - because that's how teachers had treated them, consistently and without even realising they were doing it, for most of their schooling.

Schue is not as good a teacher as he thinks he is, and we've seen, on-screen, that he doesn't just overlook this, he actively works to avoid paying attention to minority issues (the 'We're all minorities because we're in glee club' rot from the end of 'Throwdown', among other things) - and that Finn gets favourable treatment from him when it's not earnt, too.

Finn beat Puck up in front of two teachers and got away with it. Lauren beat Santana up in front of a teacher and got no punishment. Santana slapped Finn once across the face and got hauled to the principal's office and threatened with suspension. I can't help feeling like the fact that she's a troubling girl - a tough, aggressive, brown, queer girl - has something to do with that.

Ia so hard with this.

Also in NBK: When Karofsky attacked Kurt Mr. Shue noticed and took Kurt to his office where he admitted to be aware of Kurt's bullying.
Kurt even stated that Will(and the rest of the teachers) was/were too lax when it came to homophobic bullying in the school.
So Will not only was aware that Kurt was getting harassed, but also witnessed Kurt getting harassed and still did not haul Karofsky's ass to the principal in NBK.

also I kind of just word vomited at you oops XD I told myself I was going to wait until tomorrow to discuss things because I've taken headache meds and am not thinking the clearest, but hopefully you got what I was trying to say. hah.

I would LOVE to read more about Kurt's clothes, I am a huge fan of the clothing meta.

It's definitely happening this week. I have to collect a lot of screen caps first. But I've figured it out.

oh thank you. let me love you. forever.

Can't wait for your clothing musings. You have a much sharper eye for this sort of thing than I do.

No. 11 - I am on the brink of character-bashing Rachel. Every time I can't think the writers will make me hate her more, they manage to pull it of their ass.

Also? I had NO IDEA "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" could be remixed as a fucking *DIRGE.* It was painful and awful and I wanted to stuff a cork in Finn's piehole.

Hahaha! Thank you, this comment made me laugh out our for like 5 minutes. Dirge is so appropriate and hilarious!

Himself and I started coyote howling about halfway through it. It was that dreadful.

You're not the only one. Like Granny Weatherwax, I cannot be having with people who treat people like things, and that's Rachel's SOP.

And that song was impossible to process. I...what?

As a first gut reaction, I can understand it. And she did do the right thing.

What I have trouble with is her getting herself into that position in the first place. Cheating, I can buy. But cheating in such an obvious way? She's too smart for that.

a) Well, now we know why Rachel won't get into NYADA.

b) Further, we know how they're going to solve the problem of two Glee clubs. Quinn will tell (of course), leading to the teacher being fired (of course), and then the Trouble Tones will return to the fold.

c) Why did Other Congress Candidate Pizza Guy (didn't spot the Cain reference until this ep) go to all that trouble to play on "Sue is maybe a lesbian," when she isn't, but didn't try at all to smear Burt for actually having a gay son. It can't have been because he didn't think it was right to drag kids into this...

d) Did anyone else find it interesting that Santana's grandma didn't say "you shouldn't feel this" or "you should pray this away" but "Everyone has secrets, you should have kept this to yourself!"? Makes me wonder what her secret is. S'ppose we'll find out during the touching reconciliation scene.

e) Since when does the school have a rugby team? And if they do, how come Santana doesn't even know its captain?

f) Whose idea was it to label the congress voting booth "Real Election"? It made me giggle, silliness notwithstanding.

g) I can buy Rachel wanting to "help" Kurt by stupid means. But I have trouble believing she wouldn't realize that stuffing in more ballots than there are voters would be obvious. She get's As in everything. That should include math.

h) Why is Kurt wearing all those half-a-sweaters? Can't he afford a whole sweater? ;)

Yeah, Beiste and "Jolene" rocked my world. Plus Santana and "Constant Craving." These songs are a pleasant break from the over-the-top nature of most of the song selections. While I also like some macaroni with my cheese, the show definitely has more somber moments that need heavier music.

The song that made me want to kill things because it was so horribly done? Finn's slow rendition of "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." Way to make me hate something I used to like. I don't know what the music supervisors/directors were thinking there, but it was a moment in which I would have deeply enjoyed firing them and taking over myself.

Also:

11. Rachel! I cannot believe that your first response was "but I'll get suspended."

16. I can't believe that in one breath Puck was smart enough to acknowledge how broken Quinn is and in the next TOLD HER ABOUT SHELBY.

Oh yes, you can. These characters are nothing if not totally predictable by now.

I confess, my first thought when the rugby captain opened his mouth were, "Oh, child. You're new around here, aren't you."

2. BEST KLAINE EPISODE EVER.

I know, right? There was a lot this week.

3. That look Blaine gives Kurt during "Constant Craving" -- they are fucking a lot

I have no comment on this, just felt the need to repeat it.

4. "We'll figure something out" -- again, Blaine is TOTALLY on board with the New York plan, even if he's a year behind.

I'm glad that they aren't playing up the age difference yet. I suspect that's still to come.

5. I remain convinced that Kurt is going to get into NYADA, even with that sad, empty looking application.
I hope they're going to address the fact that not only do these schools not weight extracurriculars to nearly the extent they seem to think, but Kurt also has a lot to put on there: founding member of Glee Club, brief stint in the Warblers, etc. Applications are more an exercise in eeking out the little things than anything else.

15. Man, I cannot believe (in previews for next week) that those spoilers about Sam are true.

If next weeks episode were a fanfic I would have been mocking it for its ridiculousness. As, come to think of it, I am next weeks spoilers. Sometimes I genuinely believe that RM&co choose plotlines via Mad Libs.

17. Sugar Motta and the unicorn gesture, I love you
Pretty much my favorite part of the second half, not going to lie.

It's always so interesting reading your thoughts - thanks for sharing!

2. Also, "I have to go find Blaine". First response, best response.

12. Kurt's clothes, honestly, were the reason I couldn't really watch the Perfect scene. I did dishes while it played in the background. Okay, I don't care what *insert big designer* says, that poncho was ugly and distracting. I just miss the classiness of the Dickensian Kurt from Original Song. THAT PONCHO BURNED MY EYES.
My personal opinion is, he's wearing these, sometimes tacky, ponchos and turtlenecks and frankly bizarre outfits because Blaine's leaving all sorts of marks on his neck. But I'd love to hear your opinions; I'm sure that there's a much smarter reason.

The Rugby captain/Kissed A Girl rebuttal made me grin. It turned the song into a "whatevs, I make out with girls because my boyfriend thinks it's hot" song into, like, a power anthem of girl power and not needing a dude's opinion to define sexuality. Also, it was really cool to see them swooping down like the glee version of Teen Titans.

12. I would think so, but her dads are also never around, so...maybe she's influenced more by her peers than she thinks, and that's why she's always saying "I have two gay dads!", like some kind of justification.

10. It's trolly, but it's also very Finn. The variance of opinions is hilarious on different coms, but... He's a high schooler, okay? He's screwed up and though a lot better than S1 Finn, he's 17. We're all self-centered at seventeen.
In my mind, he knows that he kind of deserved the slap, and knows that if they really had a Zero Tolerance physical violence policy, he'd be suspended twenty times over. I saw when the gears locked into place. He's also sorry for what he did in Mash Off and trying to make up for it in his own weird way, which yeah, kind of trolly.
But the first and primary gay person he knew was Kurt. Who is all kinds of out, even when he wasn't. So Finn, being a high school boy, probably has trouble seeing that Santana isn't comfortable being out. For Kurt is was a relief. For Santana, it's a nightmare. Sure, she's making the best of it, but still. Finn doesn't have the perspective to realize that, but he's well intentioned. They're all screwey, because they're in high school.

16. PUCK=STUPID sometimes. And that after the perfect turn-Quinn-down insult scene of awesome.

Jolene, Jolene, Jolene Jolene, Our Beiste finally gets to sing!

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