red state letters - 1
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rmWhen I was just starting university, I served on the March of Dimes National Youth Council with approximately a dozen and a half other young community service leaders age 17 to 25. One of the girls was from Tennessee, and in the course of some conversation or other during a meeting, she mentioned that she went to church three or four times a week.
I spluttered and asked her why and then noted that I'd never been to church really other than for particular events like weddings, or on trips to see historic ones, or occassionally on a whim.
She looked at me, deeply puzzled at said. "Well, to socialize. I mean, what all do you do in New York?" She honestly didn't know.
"Well, we spend time with our friends."
"Where?" she asked, and I found I could not tell her in a way that made sense. In our homes, in cafes, bars sometimes, I guess.
"But, how do you get to know people, how do you meet anyone?"
"New York," I said, "is very crowded."
I was thinking about her today, because I've been thinking about the red states, and the people that voted there on the so-called moral issues, and as all of us here who fancy we have morals (or ethics) do, I've been trying to get a handle on what is really a profound cultural difference, that truly, I can't approach, I can't get on an organic level, and it's not because I wasn't raised well.
My father, as most of you know, is a very religious if somewhat eccentric man who has explored a lot of religions in his life. And while he doesn't go to church every, or really even any Sunday, the fact is he spends most of his time on his religious writing, and is deeply interested in listening to God.
My father and I don't agree on everything when it comes to morals, ethics or politics, and I dislike the intimacy of discussing religion with him -- I've my beliefs, and he has his, and it's well enough. But there are some things I know about God and the way lots of people view God because he's my dad and because we read a lot of psalms at the dinner table on Thanksgiving. All of which leaves me with some things to say to people voting on moral/religious issues in the so-called "red states".
Your God is a great and powerful God. He has put things awesome in their scale and perfect in their detail into being and has set into motion a world more complex than you or I can understand. This isn't me trying to talk to you in language you'll understand, and this isn't me being condescending, this is just what I've been told, what I've been given to understand about God. He's certainly impressive.
And he woos people to his cause, to his belief, constantly. If he did not religion would not be the force it is in this country, and Christianity in its myriad forms would not have swept the world as it has.
Your God is ubiquitous, convincing, compelling and appealing and he wins over new followers every day.
Which means your God is a lot more powerful than politics. A lot more convincing. A lot more healing.
Which leads me to wonder why it is you think that politics is the best means (or even a remotely desireable or acceptable avenue) to get people to live the way you believe God wishes people to live. Because as someone in a blue state, at someone in New York City, I hear this combination of politics and faith and I get angry and resentful, and I stop listening. Outlawing the things you think are sins will never stop a sin, and because the human race is often weak and petulant in many ways and so this only encourages sin.
I guess my point is, I don't actually have a problem with your beliefs -- I live where I do so I can live the way I want, and I suppose you live where you do for the same reasons. And I don't have a problem with you trying to sway me to your beliefs. But I do have a problem with you doing it through politics. I think it's ineffective. I think it harms your mission, and I think it does anything but bring glory to your God and your faith. In fact I think it reeks of hubris and is disrespectful to your beliefs, to your God and to His creations. It really offends me -- not because it conflicts with how I live, but because some things in this world deserve more respect than you're giving them. Certainly, I would never treat my equivalent of your God the same way.
Anyway, as much as I don't always get where either you red state folks or my dad are coming from when it comes to God, I do wish you red state folks would be more like my dad, and listen to God over preachers and politicians. I don't think you'd hear a different set of rules, but I am deeply convinced you'd hear a different set of tactics, one that I think could only benefit all of us, despite our different goals and ways of being.
Certainly, in the end, it would all shake out a lot more interesting. Shouldn't I choose God, as opposed to being compelled to him?
Flies and honey. Be gentler, I think. Be gentler.
I spluttered and asked her why and then noted that I'd never been to church really other than for particular events like weddings, or on trips to see historic ones, or occassionally on a whim.
She looked at me, deeply puzzled at said. "Well, to socialize. I mean, what all do you do in New York?" She honestly didn't know.
"Well, we spend time with our friends."
"Where?" she asked, and I found I could not tell her in a way that made sense. In our homes, in cafes, bars sometimes, I guess.
"But, how do you get to know people, how do you meet anyone?"
"New York," I said, "is very crowded."
I was thinking about her today, because I've been thinking about the red states, and the people that voted there on the so-called moral issues, and as all of us here who fancy we have morals (or ethics) do, I've been trying to get a handle on what is really a profound cultural difference, that truly, I can't approach, I can't get on an organic level, and it's not because I wasn't raised well.
My father, as most of you know, is a very religious if somewhat eccentric man who has explored a lot of religions in his life. And while he doesn't go to church every, or really even any Sunday, the fact is he spends most of his time on his religious writing, and is deeply interested in listening to God.
My father and I don't agree on everything when it comes to morals, ethics or politics, and I dislike the intimacy of discussing religion with him -- I've my beliefs, and he has his, and it's well enough. But there are some things I know about God and the way lots of people view God because he's my dad and because we read a lot of psalms at the dinner table on Thanksgiving. All of which leaves me with some things to say to people voting on moral/religious issues in the so-called "red states".
Your God is a great and powerful God. He has put things awesome in their scale and perfect in their detail into being and has set into motion a world more complex than you or I can understand. This isn't me trying to talk to you in language you'll understand, and this isn't me being condescending, this is just what I've been told, what I've been given to understand about God. He's certainly impressive.
And he woos people to his cause, to his belief, constantly. If he did not religion would not be the force it is in this country, and Christianity in its myriad forms would not have swept the world as it has.
Your God is ubiquitous, convincing, compelling and appealing and he wins over new followers every day.
Which means your God is a lot more powerful than politics. A lot more convincing. A lot more healing.
Which leads me to wonder why it is you think that politics is the best means (or even a remotely desireable or acceptable avenue) to get people to live the way you believe God wishes people to live. Because as someone in a blue state, at someone in New York City, I hear this combination of politics and faith and I get angry and resentful, and I stop listening. Outlawing the things you think are sins will never stop a sin, and because the human race is often weak and petulant in many ways and so this only encourages sin.
I guess my point is, I don't actually have a problem with your beliefs -- I live where I do so I can live the way I want, and I suppose you live where you do for the same reasons. And I don't have a problem with you trying to sway me to your beliefs. But I do have a problem with you doing it through politics. I think it's ineffective. I think it harms your mission, and I think it does anything but bring glory to your God and your faith. In fact I think it reeks of hubris and is disrespectful to your beliefs, to your God and to His creations. It really offends me -- not because it conflicts with how I live, but because some things in this world deserve more respect than you're giving them. Certainly, I would never treat my equivalent of your God the same way.
Anyway, as much as I don't always get where either you red state folks or my dad are coming from when it comes to God, I do wish you red state folks would be more like my dad, and listen to God over preachers and politicians. I don't think you'd hear a different set of rules, but I am deeply convinced you'd hear a different set of tactics, one that I think could only benefit all of us, despite our different goals and ways of being.
Certainly, in the end, it would all shake out a lot more interesting. Shouldn't I choose God, as opposed to being compelled to him?
Flies and honey. Be gentler, I think. Be gentler.
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Date: 2004-11-04 04:11 pm (UTC)I don't proselytize; I am passionate about my beliefs, they are important to me, and if someone asks about them I will explain. But I don't approach random strangers and say to them "Excuse me, but can I have a moment of your time to talk to you about the Law of Thelema?"
However, people do, constantly, come to me, whether in person or via email, and ask me what it is that makes life work for me. People constantly tell me that they like my attitude towards life, and they want to know how I come by it and how to get one of their own. So it's obvious to me that if one's principles are worthy, just living by them "works" better (if you're into that) than does getting in peoples' faces, and trying to shove religion down their throats.
And really, the peope who are into the throat-shoving, why don't they ever ask themselves WHY it's necessary to do it? Why don't they ever think "Hey, if we have to go out and force-feed converts, just why should that be so?"
Re: the social thing: that seems to be something common to certain communities, and to small towns, rather than to the South or even Christians in particular. I live in a pretty large city, and I meet people all the time, just randomly or through my friends. I think that some people (like the chuirch girl) have been deliberately limited in their upbringing; she's been "meeting people" at church all herlife, and she doesn't even KNOW of any other way.