Continued HBP director stuff

[rm]

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8847

My "please, no" feeling hasn't really changed (because the second someone whispers, I'll just groan and never be able to stop), but I do believe him. I watched an interview with him the other night about Lady in the Water and he was talking about his feelings about stories and fairytales and truth, and it made me really, really want to like his movies more because I was very glad for all he was saying.

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[rm.livejournal.com]

Is this the third time in 24-hours that I have to explain that it might perhaps be unreasonable for people to expect fluffy bunny niceness in a journal with a high % of Snape content?

[briansiano.livejournal.com]

Let me get this straight. I posted an opinion, and when challenged, defended that opinion. The _opinion_ itself wasn't offensive, but you and tsarina project this insult upon it; apparently, saying that one's opinion is true offends all civilized people and violates the spirit of social conversation.

But when tsarina uses _actual_ insults, the rules change: suddenly we're on the Wild and Wooly Internet, where insults are not only standard, but complaints are wholly irrational.

Now, if you're saying that I can let the intellectual stuff lie, and start in with calling tsarina rotten names, well, I can adjust. It'd be a lot easier. Just say the word, and tell tsarina not to complain.

[tsarina.livejournal.com]

apparently, saying that one's opinion is true offends all civilized people and violates the spirit of social conversation.

No - saying your opinion is true makes you sound like somone who skipped school that day in third grade when we learned the difference between fact and opinion. You've already compared me to O'Reilly, so I'm ust quaking in my boots for fear of the awful insults you will fling at me now. I'm sure it will be an awful experience, being insulted by someone who acts like fannish lingo is a personal attack and has painted himself into a corner with a foolish argument.

Now there's a fandom event we need - all the armchair scholars can all sit down and insult each other right and left over opinions we hold as facts! They should really have that at Lumos, it would be a riot.

[rm.livejournal.com]

Actually, no, you missed what I was attempting to say.

1. I have found your tone from the beginning of this discussion to be rude and condescending -- that includes your first comment to me (as I have already pointed out) in which not enough of this discussion had actually transpired for my objection to be about whether or not we agreed.

2. I've been addressing your statements as they bother me. I couldn't care less if you're fighting with tsarina for anything other than the entertainment value. We've been friends for a long time, and as most who know the history of that friendship are aware, I'm disinclined to defend her, not just because she can take care of herself, but because enough B.S. has also gone on in our now amicable interaction that defending her honour is the least of my concerns. You probably won't grok this; others will be amused. So it goes.

3. I don't tell my friends to behave. That's not my job. I suspect you treat your friends differently.

4. For the record, my personal investment in the HP films as art is pretty low. While I vastly enjoy them, particularly as social events, they have a lot of significant flaws for me, both as regards HP and film. One of the weirdest things about Snape in the books is that he's quite young -- that age issue is lost in the films as regards him, Lupin and Sirius, and it hurts the films, as much as I've enjoyed the associated performances. Honestly, the films matter to me in occassional moments I'm dying to see -- so far, I've been disappointed, because the moment I was desperate for in Movie 4 never happened. 5 promises to be kinder to my fixations since my fixations actually finally become plot central. At any rate, not relevant at this juncture.

4. I do not understand how can you be so outraged by what is pretty minor stuff in the realm of Internet flamage directed at you, but be utterly unwilling to consider even the possibility that you might have been the asshole first -- not because you disagreed with someone, but because you assumed the other people involved in this discussion were somehow ignorant or intellectually inferior to reach conclusions not entirely identical with your own.

5. I find certitude without justification profoundly unappealing at any level of interaction. I can't figure out if you're blind to your own culpability in this utterly ridiculous drama or if you somehow think an unjustified yet aggresive stance is a mark of confidence, intellectual capacity and/or masculinity. It's not hot, it's not interesting, and it doesn't make you look like the bad boy with the motorcycle.

6. In case it's still not clear -- your tone, not just in this post, but in nearly every single comment you have ever made in my journal, has been odious and seemingly predicated on the assumption that whomever you were replying to (myself or other people commenting) was totally uninformed on the matter at hand, even when what you were responding to evidenced significant knowledge of the subject.

7. There are other people on my journal who argue as agressively as you and occassionally make me nuts for it. However, they generally possess the skill to make it worth my time, and the knowledge to make them look like something other than a complete and total git.

And now I bow out and leave you and Tsarina to it.

[baldanders.livejournal.com]

You're right, I did enjoy that.

[rm.livejournal.com]

hee!