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rmOkay, all you avid readers, I need help.
I need actual books that reference books or plays that don't actually exist in our world (but we perhaps wish they did) a la "The Swordsman Whose Name was not Death" from The Privilege of the Sword.
Yes, I'm up to something, although I'm not sure of the shape or viability of it yet.
I need actual books that reference books or plays that don't actually exist in our world (but we perhaps wish they did) a la "The Swordsman Whose Name was not Death" from The Privilege of the Sword.
Yes, I'm up to something, although I'm not sure of the shape or viability of it yet.
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Date: 2006-12-06 05:05 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-12-06 05:09 pm (UTC)And I know you said "real books," but
(Graveworthy features in several of his HP fics, used in different capacities, often as a former lover of Sirius's.)
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Date: 2006-12-06 05:11 pm (UTC)Not sure if it helps, but it's a good read anyway.
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Date: 2006-12-06 05:13 pm (UTC)List of fictional books (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_books)
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Date: 2006-12-06 05:14 pm (UTC)"The King in Yellow" is a fictional play that supposedly, when read, makes people go mad. Anyone who reads it becomes insane. it originated in the fiction of Chambers, but since then lots of authors have alluded to it. And of course, because it was inspiring to Lovecraft, conspiracies have risen up around it- i.e. the play really exists somewhere. Hee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_in_Yellow#Stories
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Date: 2006-12-06 05:18 pm (UTC)Best line: "You might as well get used to it, Achilles. There is no fucking in Hades."
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Date: 2006-12-06 05:21 pm (UTC)but come on, who can't laugh at that line?
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Date: 2006-12-06 05:33 pm (UTC)Hmm.
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Date: 2006-12-07 05:52 am (UTC)The other plays refered to in the book are various Shakespeare, Stoppard's "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" and Weiss'
"The Persecution and Assassination of Jean-Paul Marat as Performed by the Inmates of the Asylum of Charenton Under the Direction of the Marquis de Sade".
And yes, that last one really is a play.
Tam Lin is a favorite of mine.
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Date: 2006-12-07 05:29 pm (UTC)I love that book, I must have read it twenty times.
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Date: 2006-12-06 08:46 pm (UTC)Hamlet, of course, has The Murder of Gonzago/The Mousetrap, and Bill's use derives from Kyd's use of the meta-theater.
There's also Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49 with the fake Jacobean revenge tragedy, The Courier's Tragedy.
Finally, I can think of Tom Stoppard's The Real Thing which has a playwright writing a play-within-the-play.
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Date: 2006-12-06 10:38 pm (UTC)Charles DeLint's The Little Country - a real title of a real book, telling a tale containing a fictional book as a major prop, also titled "The Little Country".
Not in the above-referenced Wikipedia entry. Yet.
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Date: 2006-12-07 04:29 am (UTC)and, oh, good, someone already mentioned The King in Yellow. I think someone did write (for varying values of "write") a surrealist version of it, but i also think it's one of those hard-to-find limited runs.
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Date: 2006-12-07 06:02 am (UTC)There's also the opera "The Lyre of Orpheus" from the Robertson Davies book by the same name.
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Date: 2006-12-12 08:57 pm (UTC)Also, Stanislaw Lem's "One Human Minute" and "A Perfect Vacuum" are amazingly good.
While "The Man in the High Castle" is the best known Dick "book that doesn't exist", there's also The Book of Kalends in "Galactic Pot Healer", and the book with the wub skin cover in "Not By Its Cover".
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Date: 2006-12-12 09:21 pm (UTC)Most heavily, the one written by a main charachter, Drusas Achamian, Compendium Of The First Holy War,
Ontillas, On the Folly of Men
Zarathinius, A Defense of the Arcane Arts
Ajencis, The Epistmologies, The Third Analytic of Men
Casidas, The Annals of Cenei "The difference between the strong emperor and the weak is simply this: the former makes the world his arena, while the latter makes it his harem."
Olekaros, Avowals
Ekyannus I, 44 Epistles
Ekyannus VIII, Aphorisms
Inri Sejenus (a prophet), Scholars 36:21, The Tractate