Dear Torchwood Fandom,

[rm]

Dear Torchwood Fandom,

I am as much about Jack/Ianto as many of the rest of you, BUT, perhaps you have not noticed, these are two really fucked up people in fucked up circumstances with a distinctive disinclination towards monogamy.

So, can we please stop writing fics that involve Jack cooing over how adorable Ianto is? or making him breakfast in bed? Or saying "I love you" every two seconds?

BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THOSE GUYS. Even in happy ending fics (which I like), even when they are taking comfort from each other (which is probably how it evolved out of Ianto trying to get Lisa into the Hub) and even when they're in love with each other (which I can totally buy).

Ianto is both weirdly innocent and incredibly fucking devious and generally pretty at sea and FILLED WITH TRAUMA and also tough as nails. And Jack is actually out of his goddamn mind. And immortal (more or less). And a huge slut. And a very manly man. Mostly. And also, FILLED WITH TRAUMA, and I don't mean screaming girl trauma for either of them, okay?

So, please, pelase, please, people, let these characters be into each other on their own terms, not your unimaginative heteronormative romance novel crap.

Also, didn't we learn anything about sickeningly cute and character inappropriate nicknames from the Harry Potter fandom?

Thank you.

Gah. I hate new fandoms.

Comments

[rm.livejournal.com]

Jack -- bisexual, fucking Ianto and probably a lot of other peopel as well. Lots of relationships with both genders (more men than women though) in his backstory.

Ianto -- bisexual, fucking Jack. One significant relationship with a woman in his backstory.

Owen -- mostly into women, but makes out with a guy early on in Season 1.

Gwen -- partnered to a man, makes out with a woman early on in Season 1.

Toshiko -- has a crush on Owen, also has a relationship with a woman early on in season 1.

Queerest show ever.

[valancy17.livejournal.com]

I think I need to start watching this show.

:)

[mefan.livejournal.com]

You failed to mention all the subtext (weird or otherwise) going on b/t various groupings of the five of them. Basically, it could be argued that all five of them have some sort of WTF going on w/ea of the other four. And no, I'm not just referring to the weird Jack/Gwen stuff (disclaimer: I love Gwen, enjoy Jack/Ianto for what it IS and not what fen try to make it out to be, and absolutely HATE Jack/Gwen if only b/c she is the only one out of the five of them w/a shred of normalacy about her and she doesn't need his baggage).

Oh and ITA about the subversion of Jack/Ianto by certain sections of the fandom. You're completely right that they're both the most fucked up people imaginable. Realistically, Jack is a prime candidate for walking STD status and Ianto is . . . well Ianto has issues. Besides, Ianto even stated "we dabble", which to me implies a casual, no strings attached relationship which revolves primarily around sex.

[julygreen.livejournal.com]

Lots of relationships with both genders (more men than women though) in his backstory.

More men than women? I didn't realize this. Did this come up at some point in the series, or is just your perception? Just curious.

[rm.livejournal.com]

Of what we've seen, it seems like there are more men.

There's John, there's the Doctor, there's the actual Jack (okay that's not a relationship), there's the guy in The Empty Child, there's Ianto.

For women we know about Estelle (is that her name, I've just spaced it) and we can argue for Rose.

[julygreen.livejournal.com]

Right, I see what you mean. His track record does speak in favour of the guys!