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[rm]

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Suggest new verbiage (but wow, that space is tiny).

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[adameros.livejournal.com]

You support Freespeech, but your supporters actively delete comments in your ljunited community.

What is your stance on your campaigners exercising censorship rather than debating the issues?

[rm.livejournal.com]

I strongly believe each community within LJ has the right to establish its own standards for topics and style of discourse, while also supporting the right of users to form the broadest array of communities. The beauty of LJ is that is provides a platform for users to create communities tailored to their needs. I support LJ/SUP not curtailing the use of that platform; that does not mean I think all communities should be obligated to allow posts they find off-topic or inappropriate to their concerns.

Additionally, I did not found that community, nor am I a maintainer of it. I support its vision for LJ and I'm happy to have their endorsement.

My campaign is my campaign. insomnia's community is insomnia's community. We're online friends and colleagues, but we do not and cannot control each other's actions in how we conduct ourselves online.

Finally, I was getting a blessed bit of sleep when whatever occurred and occurred, so my details on it are fairly limited, but I do not view it as an LJ policy issue.

[adameros.livejournal.com]

So, in other words, you do not in fact believe in freedom of speech, but rather the conditional allowance of speech, in that restrictions on speech and censorship are perfectly acceptable based on the venue?

[rm.livejournal.com]

I believe in LJ as a platform for users to create communities that serve their needs and interests. Just as I would not be welcome if I barged into an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting because I decided I wanted that venue to instead be a forum for my interest in private aircraft, equestrianism or the state of the stock market, I believe each community on LJ has the right to set its own standards. I do not, however, believe that LJ/SUP should be dictating those standards to the users.

If you choose to willfully misinterpret this statement, that is beyond my control.

[adameros.livejournal.com]

Since you are going to IRL analogies...

How is that different from when Bush was running for office last time, and the secret service would not allow people in the rallies wearing anti-war t-shirts, and relegating protesters, or even people they thought might be protesters to small barricaded areas labeled "free speech zones"?

You claim to be for free speech, but it seems to be only if it is speech you agree with.

Which seems to coincide nicely with what your supporters were doing in ljunity.

[rm.livejournal.com]

The critical right to protest of public political speech which was heinously denied in the Bush you mention and the discourteous disruption of private community speech as in the hypothetical example I provided are, in fact, two different things.

Once again, I am not a moderator of ljunity and was not online at the time of whatever transpired there.

I'm sorry you fail to see the nuance in these situations, but I don't think there's anything I can do to further address this issue with you.

[adameros.livejournal.com]

This is an election. Your supporters were attacking jameth. Jame's supports came to his defense, you supporters exercised censorship, and now you say you can not control them, much like (again an election reference) Bush said he had no control over the Swift Boa Veterans, but he also (much like you) refused to denounce their tactics.

I think we are seeing exactly why you should NOT be elected. You are failing to take a leadership role. You claim to be for free speech, and then throw in exceptions. You are more than willing to let your supporters attack your opponents, and willing to stand by when your follower silence dissent. That is not what live journal needs. It is what it needs to be protected from.

(frozen)

[rm.livejournal.com]

I do not control my supporters; they are free individuals. jameth presumably, also does not control his.

I am not throwing in exceptions; rather, I have clearly have a different view of the uses and purposes of the LJ platform than you do. These are the honest disagreements of the electoral process. I am glad you have found a candidate that suits yours and that you are participating. But since we're not going to change each other's minds here, I'm freezing this thread, because I have to believe we both have better things to do in this election and in life than engage in what is threatening to become an endless pursuit of the last word.

pursuit of the last word.

[johmas.livejournal.com]

Looks like you got what you wanted.