sundries (and long TW stopwatch theory)
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rm- Patty's mom is in town. Tonight we are going to see The Fantasticks. Tomorrow she leaves for Ohio, to return when I get back from Chicago. We'll also buy our Atlanta tickets tonight.
- Wow, three killer FSTs on my friends list this morning. rox0r.
- Hey, Nick Cave is playing a gig here on my birthday. There's half a plan.
- As per usual, you are owed a long fencing post. Next 24 hours.
- Also, if you've friended me in the last week or so, I'm doing maintenance in the next 24 hours or so, which means getting all those adds sorted in. So hello and welcome, almost.
- Would it be rude to make a list of songs/artists I really wish people would stop making fanvids to? Because seriously, the shitty love theme from your prom does not, actually, say Jack/Ianto all over.
- So I've been rewatching season 1 of Torchwood. It's a much better/shocking/different season after you've seen season 2. Either the writers are brilliant or completely out of their goddamn minds (and sloppy to boot). Anyway, I thought They Keep Killing Suzie was shocking the first time. It's even more shocking once you've gotten through the end of season 2. It also makes a shitload more sense.
Point 1: Jesus, most disturbing use of Gorecki. I'd forgotten that that's where that song (on my Torchwood playlist on my iPod) was used in the series. And at first it's all Jack being moony about Gwen, and I'm just like "oh whatever!" but it reads as creepy. Is it Jack being into her or does Gwen have a role in the greater machinations of the universe? But then of course it cuts to that business with him and Ianto in the morgue.
Point 2: Okay, I think I finally know what's going on with the stopwatch thing, or at least have a read on that interaction that makes sense with both season 1 and season 2 and Lisa. I think they were screwing before the Lisa thing happened. Then I think at some point after it Jack came on to Ianto out of a desire for angry, comfort or let's-be-friends-again sex (I'm guessing not angry just from the tone of this thing) and Ianto turned him down, probably in that cold Ianto Feels No Pain But Is a Lying Liar Who Lies bullshit way that's so infuriating. And somewhere in there, or more probably, back when they were screwing, at some point Jack had made some random crack about the stopwatch -- just one of the endless dumb remarks that has come out of his mouth, and then he forgot all about it. Ianto, of course, remembers everything (canonical Mary Sue trait!) and so awkwardly uses the reference to try to approach Jack with a distraction when Jack's in pain because OMG, hi, can Jack have a relationship with anyone that isn't a codependent mess? But Jack, of course, having forgotten the initial remark, is just confused. On the other hand, he gets to fuck the cute office boy again, score.
Point 3: The above said, there's a profound wariness and menace in this moment, actually, and not, I don't think, just because they are standing over Suzie's body. I generally roll my eyes at the idea that Ianto is going to turn evil (thanks, GDL) or that he's really a Time Lord (some awesome fic to that effect aside), but watching this again, combined with the sketchy Ianto backstory from Fragments and I am kinda left thinking there is some big, fucked up reveal coming about him. Which is pretty interesting when you consider the things we've been told about the next season of Torchwood -- it's the most awful, agonizing situation they've dealt with yet; it involves tons of Ianto backstory (we've heard this from JB, GDL and the writers now); it may involve Jack backstory; the writers who have made any noise on the 'shipping wars are very pro Jack/Ianto. Does that feel like a recipe for doom or what? That said, I really, really like Ianto as just a scary, bright, damaged, ordinary mortal human guy, and really hope the show doesn't fuck that shit up.
- Wow, three killer FSTs on my friends list this morning. rox0r.
- Hey, Nick Cave is playing a gig here on my birthday. There's half a plan.
- As per usual, you are owed a long fencing post. Next 24 hours.
- Also, if you've friended me in the last week or so, I'm doing maintenance in the next 24 hours or so, which means getting all those adds sorted in. So hello and welcome, almost.
- Would it be rude to make a list of songs/artists I really wish people would stop making fanvids to? Because seriously, the shitty love theme from your prom does not, actually, say Jack/Ianto all over.
- So I've been rewatching season 1 of Torchwood. It's a much better/shocking/different season after you've seen season 2. Either the writers are brilliant or completely out of their goddamn minds (and sloppy to boot). Anyway, I thought They Keep Killing Suzie was shocking the first time. It's even more shocking once you've gotten through the end of season 2. It also makes a shitload more sense.
Point 1: Jesus, most disturbing use of Gorecki. I'd forgotten that that's where that song (on my Torchwood playlist on my iPod) was used in the series. And at first it's all Jack being moony about Gwen, and I'm just like "oh whatever!" but it reads as creepy. Is it Jack being into her or does Gwen have a role in the greater machinations of the universe? But then of course it cuts to that business with him and Ianto in the morgue.
Point 2: Okay, I think I finally know what's going on with the stopwatch thing, or at least have a read on that interaction that makes sense with both season 1 and season 2 and Lisa. I think they were screwing before the Lisa thing happened. Then I think at some point after it Jack came on to Ianto out of a desire for angry, comfort or let's-be-friends-again sex (I'm guessing not angry just from the tone of this thing) and Ianto turned him down, probably in that cold Ianto Feels No Pain But Is a Lying Liar Who Lies bullshit way that's so infuriating. And somewhere in there, or more probably, back when they were screwing, at some point Jack had made some random crack about the stopwatch -- just one of the endless dumb remarks that has come out of his mouth, and then he forgot all about it. Ianto, of course, remembers everything (canonical Mary Sue trait!) and so awkwardly uses the reference to try to approach Jack with a distraction when Jack's in pain because OMG, hi, can Jack have a relationship with anyone that isn't a codependent mess? But Jack, of course, having forgotten the initial remark, is just confused. On the other hand, he gets to fuck the cute office boy again, score.
Point 3: The above said, there's a profound wariness and menace in this moment, actually, and not, I don't think, just because they are standing over Suzie's body. I generally roll my eyes at the idea that Ianto is going to turn evil (thanks, GDL) or that he's really a Time Lord (some awesome fic to that effect aside), but watching this again, combined with the sketchy Ianto backstory from Fragments and I am kinda left thinking there is some big, fucked up reveal coming about him. Which is pretty interesting when you consider the things we've been told about the next season of Torchwood -- it's the most awful, agonizing situation they've dealt with yet; it involves tons of Ianto backstory (we've heard this from JB, GDL and the writers now); it may involve Jack backstory; the writers who have made any noise on the 'shipping wars are very pro Jack/Ianto. Does that feel like a recipe for doom or what? That said, I really, really like Ianto as just a scary, bright, damaged, ordinary mortal human guy, and really hope the show doesn't fuck that shit up.
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Date: 2008-07-31 01:42 pm (UTC)And yeah, I never quite got the whole last name being Costello thing. With They Keep Killing Suzie, I had hoped for some elaboration on her. (Actually, I was very upset when she got whacked in the first story as I was expecting her to be a regular)
My assumption is that her father knocked up her mother, but then fled and Suzie used the resources of Torchwood to find him with the intention of doing something mean to him for abandoning her. We can safely assume her mother was Welsh given Suzie's accent.
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Date: 2008-07-31 01:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-07-31 01:48 pm (UTC)How about Suzie being the result of rape. Her mother, probably not terribly tightly wound herself, carried her to term, but then saw how much Suzie resembled her father, and held it against her for the rest of her life, recounting every detail of the rape to Suzie every year on her birthday. Those would have been Suzie's earliest memories. Hence, Suzie would have grown up seeing her own father as essentially not only an evil man who hurt her mother, but also the man responsible for her unhappy existence. There are many ways I could see this going.
What do you think?
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Date: 2008-07-31 01:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-07-31 02:01 pm (UTC)Really bad things happen when people are [ helpful]
Date: 2008-07-31 03:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-07-31 03:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-07-31 07:51 pm (UTC)Very far from necessarily so. Though people brought up in Wales are likely to be able to pronounce words like Machynlleth so that other Welsh people will recognise when they do it. but quite a lot of Welsh people do not have a strong accent, particularly if they are in England and around English people.