choice

Oct. 1st, 2008 10:48 am
[personal profile] rm
Read this:

http://strange-selkie.livejournal.com/301029.html

I'll have my own thoughts later.

Date: 2008-10-01 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idunn.livejournal.com
At this rate, I'm sure Palin is very close to making a Bingo.

Date: 2008-10-01 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weirdodragoncat.livejournal.com
guh...I'm so tired of people talking about 'choice' when it comes to sexual orientation.

Date: 2008-10-01 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redstapler.livejournal.com
She did so well when she said, "She's not my gay friend, she's my best friend."

And then she fucked it all up with that "choice" nonsense.

Sigh.

Date: 2008-10-01 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tommx.livejournal.com
So, Sarah Palin didn't make the same choice her friend did: to be true to herself in spite of what her friends, family and society would say about who she is. She chose instead to live as others would dictate and stifle any chance she could possibly have of happiness in this world.

Wow, what a trooper.

Date: 2008-10-01 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schpahky.livejournal.com
Aagh. And the thing is, a lot of people are not going to get the nuance and will see this as progressive.

Date: 2008-10-01 03:18 pm (UTC)
hllangel: Puppy with a stick. (Thanks but no thanks)
From: [personal profile] hllangel
Sarah Palin is probably the worst thing that's happened in any number of areas in a long time.

ARGH.

Date: 2008-10-01 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bodlon.livejournal.com
I... Just...

Fuckery.

Date: 2008-10-01 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 19-crows.livejournal.com
Choice, my ass.

Date: 2008-10-01 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smirnoffmule.livejournal.com
Does she talk to her best friend who's her gay friend? Does her best friend who's her gay friend talk to her?

Because two seconds talking to any gay person would tend to clear up that little misunderstanding.

Date: 2008-10-01 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] natf.livejournal.com
I am guessing that this friend is not really her best friend and may even not really exist. If they do exist, I am also guessing that they may no longer be her friend at all.

Date: 2008-10-01 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tantra-cat.livejournal.com
For some, it perhaps is a choice...you are bi with stronger leanings one way or the other and you choose gay relationships. Or you are straight, as far as you know...but then you fall in love with a person or soul who happens to be the same gender as you are, and you choose to honor that relationship...There is some scientific evidence that there are anatomical differences between gay and straight brains...so biologically for some, there is no real choice except to live as who you truly are...or to live a lie.

but whatever...choice or not a choice...in a truly accepting society, it would not matter.

Date: 2008-10-01 04:12 pm (UTC)
contrarywise: Glowing green trees along a road (headsplody)
From: [personal profile] contrarywise
Ye Gods. Can we please stop with the "choice" crap? Please?

Date: 2008-10-01 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyorn.livejournal.com
Even if she believes that all people are perfectly balanced no-natural-preferences bisexual (not weirder than believing in creationism, really) -- "choice" would mean that all people are also, if in love at all, at the same time equally in love with two (or more) people of different genders.

How likely is that? About as likely as the moon spontaneously mutating into green cheese tomorrow at quarter past seven, IMO.

Date: 2008-10-01 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
I'm still pleased that a rather hard-right candidate is going for clueless-but-friendly rather than legitimate-object-of-hostility. It looks to me like a lot of progress.

Date: 2008-10-01 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] natf.livejournal.com
It just makes me so sad that some of my intelligent LJFriends are voting GOP. I am UKian and so cannot help you guys by voting Obama. If I could, believe me I would.

P.S. I have linked to that post in my journal.

Date: 2008-10-01 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaifoxx.livejournal.com
~shakes my head~

I'm hetero, and *I* know better. I've always been amazed at the strength and perserverence of my friends who happen to be gay, because of the high price they pay to be true to themselves. Not one of them "chose" it. Not when it meant losing parents, or losing spouses and children. Someone else said it well, when they said, "does this so called friend even exist?" because I agree, if they did, she would know better. She would HAVE to know better. Friends talk to each other about everything.

I've gone round and round with Fundies though, and they just dont get it. They seem to think because THEY are straight, everyone else should be to, even though it's no more a choice for them, than it is for anyone else. Why they seem to think it is, I dont know.

In any case tho...people like Palin are the reason why in the last few monthes, when I've opened the chat in my forum on another server, I've had chatters private message me asking if it's okay for them to be in there, because they're gay. I've never seen this before and frankly, it frightens me that things have gotten so bad, that someone should feel a need to ask me if it's okay to hang out and chit chat with me and my friends. But it's gotten bad enough I honestly dont know what to do. None of my chatters have ever bashed anybody over gender preference. I dont know why this is going on either.

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