[personal profile] rm
The following is a list of things I should never, ever have to say. As someone who attends many, many cons for professional and personal reasons, it should be noted that I, in fact, almost never have to say them.

Yet, every single one of the issues raised below transpired at this year's Lunacon (either to me directly or as reported to me by people I know and trust or loudly in the same room I was in), often more than once, and it's just simply not okay.

To be clear, I blame none of this on the con staff or organizers, who continue to be lovely and gracious people. Nor is this directed at my friends old and new from this year's event.

With that in mind, consider this an open letter, that I will no doubt be adding to over the next few days.

1. Cons are crowded.
  • Please bathe. Note: hanging out in the swimming pool does not count as bathing. Despite chlorine, other people appreciate it if you are relatively fresh before you get in the pool.
  • Please wear reasonably clean clothes.
  • Please be aware of how your scent impacts others -- this includes not wearing lots of perfume. Lots of people have allergies and chemical sensitivities.

    2. Cons attract diverse audiences, including members of the LGBTQA community.
  • It is not appropriate to shout "lesbian!" at a woman, regardless of her sexual orientation.
  • It is not appropriate to assume that lesbians are there for your pleasure and entertainment; as such, do not ask them to kiss, engage in an orgy, or otherwise amuse you. No, I do not care that you were "only joking." When you engage in this conduct, you are in the wrong.
  • Similarly, I don't care how much slash you read or write, queer people do not exist solely for your masturbatory convenience.
  • It is not appropriate to inquire to a trans person you do not know as to whether they've "cut it off yet" -- WE DO NOT GOSSIP ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE's SURGERY (and this goes for all surgeries for all people, not just those related to trans folk).
  • Do not mock asexual people. Asexuality is a valid orientation, not a defect.

    3. Cons attract diverse audiences, including people of different relationship styles.
  • It is not appropriate to assume that just because you are [insert relationship style here] other people are too.
  • It is not appropriate to imply that the way you conduct your relationship(s) is the best way and that everyone else should follow your example.
  • It is not appropriate to insult other people's lifestyle choices.
  • It is not appropriate to encourage other people to break their vows and promises.
  • It is not appropriate to break your vows and promises; if you must, please don't do it with an audience who is then put in a terrible ethical position because they know the object of your betrayal.

    4. Cons attract diverse audiences, including people living with disabilities.
  • Do not pet a service dog when it is working.
  • Do not pet a service dog without permission when it is not working.
  • Do not bitch about wheelchairs and scooters.
  • Do hold the door for people of all abilities -- it's polite! (this raised controversy -- I mean "hold for the person behind you" not "run ahead and open" -- discussion here)
  • If you are physically able to navigate stairs and encounter a crowded elevator, please allow people who have to take the elevator to board first.

    5. Cons attract diverse audiences, including people of a wide range of ethnic, racial and religious backgrounds.
  • Do not mock other people's religious garb.
  • Do not assume someone is sexually available because of the ethnic or racial category you think they fall into (hell, don't assume someone is sexually available, period -- but the particular event that sparks this remark is the most shockingly appalling thing I've heard in YEARS).
  • Do not say racist crap to anyone. Saying racist crap to people you presume to be of the same racial group as yourself? Still offensive, because with any luck, they are anti-racist and PoC allies. THERE IS NO SAFE SPACE FOR YOUR RACISM; get over your shit.

    6. Cons attract people of all shapes and sizes.
  • Do not tell people how to eat.
  • Do not make assumptions about why people are the sizes they are.
  • Do not say "real women have curves." While I understand the size-positive origin of this phrase, statements that begin "real women" or "real men" are inherently offensive. You don't get to decide whether another person is "real" or not.
  • Your personal aesthetic preferences are not facts.
  • Don't stare.
  • While we acknowledge that eye-contact is not comfortable for everyone in this community, please don't avoid looking in people's general direction. People exist. Please acknowledge that as best you can.

    7. While in many ways cons have different standards of behavior than other social events and groupings:
  • It's still appropriate to wear shirt and shoes in an eatery. Please fucking do. (Bare feet turns out to be a bigger and more complicated topic than I had any idea of -- more here)
  • It's still polite to introduce folks when groups encounter each other. People are wearing name tags -- it's not that hard.
  • DO NOT TOUCH PEOPLE WITHOUT PERMISSION. Even if you know them.
  • Do not tell people how to stand, what facial expression they should wear or what other aspect of their personal conduct that does not violate standard social norms of courtesy and respect they should modify to please you, especially when you have no actual friendship or other positive history with them.
  • Not all public displays of affection are appropriate for all public spaces. Do not hump in the lobby. Do not flog people in crowded corridors. Just because something is not explicitly on this list, doesn't mean it is AOK.

    8. An explanation for inappropriate behavior does not excuse it. An explanation does not absolve you of saying sorry, nor give you permission not to attempt to learn from your mistakes.

    9. Do not hover on the edges of a conversation you are not a part of for thirty minutes! Either interject relevantly in an attempt at social networking or go away. Understand that you are not entitled to anyone's time, but that it is also reasonable to expect people to be gracious with you, even if they do not wish to engage in discussion with you.

    10. The hotel staff are people with jobs. They are not your servants, slaves, or sex-toys, nor are they robots or other objects without feeling. RESPECT THE HOTEL EMPLOYEES (and tip the housekeeping staff).

    11. If you are on a panel you are obligated to prepare for it. This goes doubly for panel moderators.
  • Make out a list of bullet points you may want to address.
  • If you have been assigned to a topic you don't know anything about, don't feel comfortable addressing or are not interested in discussing -- be proactive, either by asking to be removed from the panel or doing research in advance. Not showing up or showing up and derailing the panel are not okay.
  • Respect the moderator.
  • Do not insult the other panelists.
  • Do not insult the audience.
  • Be on time.
  • Plug your work only as relevant.
  • Be gracious. If you have a beef with someone's behavior, address it post-panel if at all possible.
  • Take questions.
  • Try to be useful to your audience. You are there to serve.
  • Silence your cellphone.

    12. If you are attending a panel be a courteous audience member.
  • Do not fall asleep. If you are about to fall asleep, go to your room or the Con Suite. (note: as was pointed out to me, this is not useful or polite advice in cases of narcolpesy -- good info at link).
  • Do not listen to your iPod.
  • It's rude as an audience member to interrupt panelists. Raise your fucking hand.
  • Do not raise your hand and keep it up for twenty minutes starting before the panelists have even introduced themselves (meanwhile, if someone does this at a panel you are attending, try not to come to fisticuffs with them in the hall over it post pantel).
  • Do not talk.
  • Disagreeing with the panelists is fine; do not insult them.
  • If you think you might need or want to leave the panel early, please sit in the back.
  • Come prepared with questions the panelists will be thrilled. Note: a speech is not a question.
  • If you are attending a panel for which you suggested the topic and are not a panelist, do not try to moderate the panel from the audience.
  • Respect moderator requests to move on, especially if you have brought up an adult issue during an all ages panel, something illegal, or something which, while legal, might be an extremely triggering topic (e.g., child sex robots) for the panelists.
  • Silence your cellphone. If it rings, turn it off. If you must answer it, leave the room. If you are using your mobile device to Tweet, take notes or other relevant activity, try to be sensitive to others about it (in a darkened audience, sit in the back -- the screen glow is a bitch)
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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:31 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] laughingacademy.livejournal.com
    I’d ask if these people were raised by wolves, but that would clearly be an insult to canids.

    And this — “Do not raise your hand and keep it up for twenty minutes starting before the panelists have even introduced themselves” — just bewilders me. What were they so desperate to ask?

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:08 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    I don't know, but the individual in question apparently did it at EVERY SINGLE PANEL he attended.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:36 am (UTC)
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    From: [personal profile] mangosteen
    Wow. That's pretty much a "collect the set" listing, there.
    Certainly, between any 3-4 cons I've attended, I've seen that whole list played out.

    The question I'm mulling over is "what's the common thread"? Solipsism? Lack of empathy? Something else?

    (I'm leaning towards 'solipsism' at the moment.)

    Date: 2009-03-23 03:02 am (UTC)
    From: [personal profile] cheshyre
    Wow. That's pretty much a "collect the set" listing, there.
    I was thinking bingo card, but anyone who wins, loses...

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:36 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] idunn.livejournal.com
    I'm bewildered and saddened that this list even had to be written. Most of the stuff on here should be painfully obvious. Ew.

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:37 am (UTC)
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    From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
    Er, yes.

    And considering that the most recent Gallifrey, inebriation at times notwithstanding, was relatively well-mannered, saddening indeed.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:40 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] phaenix-ash.livejournal.com
    child sex robots???

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:41 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    Yeah. There's a story there. I'll get to it.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:40 am (UTC)
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    Good heavens. Knowing nothing else about what went on at this con, my imagination is now, uh … walking wild.

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:54 pm (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] auroraceleste.livejournal.com
    Sadly, it could be any number of conventions I've experienced. I'd have a hard time narrowing it down.

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:41 am (UTC)

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:45 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] woogledesigns.livejournal.com
    Wow. I think you should email this (or better still post it) to the con organisers. This is quiet a wake up call as to what was going wrong.

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:46 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    I'm planning to write them a long email (that also includes some positive feedback), some of it detailing specific incidents. Not all of it is solvable, but some of it is by directly addressing the known offending parties.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:46 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] eac.livejournal.com
    You know, I stopped doing cons a few years before I moved to the west coast. These are compelling reasons to not pick up where I left off...

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:47 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    Some cons are great. I have encountered only one thing on this list (two different ones) at Harry Potter cons and at Dragon*Con. I encountered none of this at Gallifrey One.

    This really was _this_ con, and to a lesser extent, one or two other cons I've been to around here.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:50 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] neifile7.livejournal.com
    Don't you wish you could say, "Pay attention. You are not the center of the universe," and the rest could fall into place?

    Can't believe that all this needs spelling out. Well, actually, I can. Just feels like re-inventing the wheel, ca. 1985.

    Any thoughts on why Lunacon has so high a degree of social fail compared to to other cons? Does it simply attract a more clueless stratum of con-goer, so that there's insufficient self- or lateral-awareness?

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:53 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    I think part of the problem is that Lunacon is a very old con, and as such many people have been attending for decades, without correction, because Lunacon provided a welcome for people socially atypical when there were no other venues for such and a more mainstream world had not also gotten in the world of cons. It not being a media con, but mostly a lit con also keeps it less mainstream (sadly)

    But I also think there is a core problem with people not willing to call people on their shit. As if it wouldn't be fair or polite. Well, it is not gracious to let people walk around with their asses hanging out either, and it's time for the community to fucking tough love.

    Additionally, I feel like younger people who get into con going through something like Lunacon lack positive older fen rolemodels or find that those positive older fen rolemodels are eclipsed by the problem people and then, in turn, decide their own unacceptable behavior is acceptable or at least not something they will be called to account on.

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    Butter Mochi

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    LunaCon 2010 is When?

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    Re: LunaCon 2010 is When?

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:51 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] iamradar.livejournal.com
    THANK YOU for posting this!

    I think a major reason for some of these problems is that people just don't get out and interact with anybody in-the-flesh anymore. They communicate almost soley by electronic communication, which takes the 'human touch' (and the human nose, in the cases of those who need to bathe!) out of the equation.

    Date: 2009-03-23 04:18 am (UTC)
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    From: [personal profile] avram
    I don't think that's it. Many of these problems have been around for decades.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:51 am (UTC)
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    From: [identity profile] alabastard.livejournal.com
    I have been spoiled by the Harry Potter cons, for there is a local multifandom con where the scent and hygiene level is often too much and I've had to leave rooms, and the manners, well, I haven't been back for years.

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:55 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    Yes. The HP cons, while occasionally clueless on race or queerness, have largely been exceptional, with people correcting and explaining to people when they've fucked up. We address our shit. It's good.

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    HP cons, dressing in drag....

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    Date: 2009-03-23 12:52 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] winterknight.livejournal.com
    see, i was just starting to feel bad about hardly having left the house (literally) in a decade. maybe i don't anymore.

    Date: 2009-03-23 12:58 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] woogledesigns.livejournal.com
    loves your icon!!!!!!!

    but um leave house. Come play!

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:09 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] imaginarycircus.livejournal.com
    I'm imagining this is all as one stinky, rude, badly behaved person--because that way I don't hate the human race quite as much as I want to. D:

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:10 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] britgeekgrrl.livejournal.com
    Sometimes the fen reduce me to blithering, inarticulate fury.

    You've managed to remain articulate.

    Thank you for sharing this, although it's a bloody shame that it has to be *said*.

    Do you mind if I like to this on [livejournal.com profile] fangrrl_squees?

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:11 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    Go right ahead.

    I'm full of cold fury right now, as I spell out the details over the next several days, you'll see why. The more people who hear this, the happier I'll be.
    Edited Date: 2009-03-23 01:21 am (UTC)

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    Date: 2009-03-23 01:25 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] thatsevenbetter.livejournal.com
    you wouldnt think half this shit would have to be SAID :(

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:27 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] julesndairyland.livejournal.com
    I am truly enraged, saddened and frightened that by seeing/experiencing others behavior that you felt this list needed to be enumerated...

    Good Grief.

    Date: 2009-03-23 03:51 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com
    Me too. I'm very sorry to hear about this behavior.

    I've never been to a con. The only negative story sticking in my mind is that infamous "can we touch your breasts" thing.

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    cluebats for life

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:37 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] nysidra.livejournal.com
    "Do not tell people how to stand, what facial expression they should wear or what other aspect of their conduct they should modify to please you, especially when you have no actual friendship or other positive history with them."

    There's no faster trigger for indignant rage when I hear, "Hey? Smile!" or "Don't walk so fast. Where's the fire?"

    *eye roll* heh

    Re: cluebats for life

    Date: 2009-03-23 03:14 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] fabricdragon.livejournal.com
    do you have ANY idea how often people have told me to smile?
    it makes me want to kill....

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    Date: 2009-03-23 01:37 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] jigglykat.livejournal.com
    Here via [livejournal.com profile] fangrrl_squees

    That makes me very sad to see that such guidelines are necessary. I remember at this past ChicagoTARDIS, a girl's cell phone rang in the middle of a panel. Not only did she answer the phone, she proceeded to have a very loud conversation without leaving her seat. The panel itself was small and intimate, so EVERYONE heard her. It's a shame that nobody has common sense these days.

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:38 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    Ah yes. Adding that to the list. That happened this weekend too!

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    Date: 2009-03-23 01:37 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] sdn.livejournal.com
    jesus, i hope these all didn't happen to you specifically.

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:39 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    A large number of them. All of them were at least stories I was told by people I know and trust and several people also said to me "what the fuck is up with this con this year?" and then listed similar issues.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 01:40 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] taraljc.livejournal.com
    I actually find that media cons don't suffer from quite the same level of fail in the hygine/acceptable social behaviour issues departments quite the same way anime cons, comic cons, and SF/F Lit cons do. I've only been to one Worldcon and a handful of Windycons and one Capricon, and the level of FAIL at those was HUGELY higher than the fan-run media cons I usually attend. I'm wondering if it's became media cons I've attended in the last 20 years have had a much higher ratio of women than men. Hell, prior to "Doctor Who" fandom, all the media fandoms I've been in have been almost 80:20 female:male. Whereas comics cons went from 80:20 male:female to gender parity over the last decade. But some of the worst fail I've seen (for example, instences of sexual harrasment and even sexual assult) have been within comics and anime fandom.

    Date: 2009-03-23 04:11 pm (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] petrea-mitchell.livejournal.com
    Indeed, one of the biggest reasons I see anime fans recommending more general sf cons over anime cons to other anime fans is, as they tend to phrase it, a more family-friendly atmosphere.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 01:43 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] cozzene.livejournal.com
    didn't we all learn this shit in kindergarten

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    Date: 2009-03-23 01:49 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] laufeyette.livejournal.com
    It is not appropriate to inquire to a trans person you do not know as to whether they've "cut it off yet" -- WE DO NOT GOSSIP ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE's SURGERY (and this goes for all surgeries for all people, not just those related to trans folk).

    YESSS.

    My best friend is transexual, and having worked a few different jobs with her in addition to attending many a social function together, I've lost track of how many times I've had to fight the urge to punch someone in the face for this offense. What is wrong with people?

    Date: 2009-03-24 10:23 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] ladytalker13.livejournal.com
    Jesus... where do they get the NERVE to say something like that??? I'm just appalled..

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    Date: 2009-03-23 01:52 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] karnythia.livejournal.com
    This being my first WisCon, please tell me that at least some of these things won't happen. Lie to me.

    Date: 2009-03-23 01:53 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    Almost none of these things will happen at WisCon. Some social skills issues may come up, but none of the seriously evil shit on this list.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 02:00 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] ladyaelfwynn.livejournal.com
    I hope you don't mind, but I'm friending you, as I'm really interested in hearing your experiences.

    I'm coming back to con going after a bit of a hiatus, (last year was the first Balticon in about 15 years where we got a hotel room; we're close enough to day trip that we did that every few years, mostly to visit friends that were attending, not to "do" the convention.) and want to see how things may or may not have changed.

    Date: 2009-03-23 02:01 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
    Welcome. It's not all awful. But the fact that fen won't call people out on their bad behavior remains and sometimes it reaches critical mass.

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    Date: 2009-03-23 02:08 am (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] kalinda001.livejournal.com
    Yikes. I thought that some of that would be common sense, not to mention common decency. But I guess good manners or decent behavior isn't so common these days.
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