in point of fact

[rm]

When you say something anti-gay and I point out the bigotry of your statement, I'm not the one being hateful.

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[teaboyfan.livejournal.com]

You are absolutely right about the ignorance factor. A semantic point they seem to be missing: we have two general types of wedding ceremonies, religious and secular, but as far as the legality of the resulting marriages, they are all equal. The Catholic Church may not allow a wedding between two divorced people, and will never be forced to perform such a wedding ceremony, but they cannot stop those people from being legally married. The Church may not recognize the marriage, but it has no authority over the legal rights.

As far as I can tell, any religion can be as bigotted as it likes; that's a separate problem that has you feeling like you're beating your head against a wall. And honestly, I doubt that bigotry and hatred and fear of The Other can ever be eliminated from human nature. We can only work to eliminate their ability to abuse and mistreat people. And it has been pointed out frequently that human rights are not to be determined by popular vote; if we had waited for general social approval, would anyone vote except white male property owners?

[fabricdragon.livejournal.com]

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and right now. for various reasons..... the churches are convinced that if the state legalizes gay marriage, they WILL be forced to accept it.
reasonable? probably not.....

but if you dont understand the fear that is driving your opponants, you cannot do anything about it.