Ms. Zielinski, the fashion stylist, said her best friend, a man, told her once: “ ‘You are confident, have good credit, own your own business, travel around the world and are self-sufficient. What man is going to want you?’ He laughed, but I found that pretty depressing.”
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Date: 2010-01-20 02:48 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-01-21 04:50 pm (UTC)They look like BIG GAY SWAN PANTS.
I love that Swan Lake with all my pervy little heart.
I love that ballet, too.
Date: 2010-01-21 05:38 pm (UTC)My husband dubbed them "chicken pants" when we first saw the ballet. Then we noticed that actually most birds have little feathers on their legs down to the joint, so we started calling *them* chicken pants. Except on falcons, when you have to call them "falcon pants" or else you get chomped. *g*
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Date: 2010-01-20 02:49 pm (UTC)Elaine Richardson, who is in her 50s, is divorced and owns a health care consulting firm in Westchester, said that men “call you high maintenance if you look like you don’t need anyone to take care of you.”
Huh? Tangent, but WTF does "high maintenance" even mean, anyway? That's like the all-purpose insult for women. Doesn't work and expects to be taken care of in the manner to which she's become accustomed, has too many emotional needs, is oddly attached to her blow dryer... and now "high maintenance" means you don't require anything from anyone else? I do not think this term means what people think it means, or even know. I hate that term with a passion.
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Date: 2010-01-20 03:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-20 03:57 pm (UTC)Bitchy? Up herself? (Without saying those things outright?) I don't even know. But it doesn't mean "likes nice things, works hard and pays for 'em herself".
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Date: 2010-01-20 03:58 pm (UTC)Such bullshit.
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Date: 2010-01-20 04:05 pm (UTC)And then I got another raise a few years later and he was like: "WOOHOO! Shopping!"
High maintenance.
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Date: 2010-01-20 09:18 pm (UTC)Well, bucko, I don't "need" chocolate cake but it make smy life better. Would I be more attractive to you if I was lying dead of starvation on my cold, dark apartment floor because I couldn't feed myself or pay my bills?
At that visual I think something clued in because he just sat quietly for a while and then apologized for being an idiot.
We never have gone out but over the intervening years I have seen him "pay court" to women he might not have looked at twice when he was younger.
some of them can learn. Sigh. The others,... sigh.
Ekatarina, decidely *not* starving, cold or sitting in the dark
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Date: 2010-01-20 04:10 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-01-21 06:04 am (UTC)A relationship with that kind of person requires a lot of maintenance. It's not necessarily insecurity, but it sometimes looks very similar.
But I also like rm's explanation.
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Date: 2010-01-20 03:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-20 03:14 pm (UTC)I really don't see that as a failure of either gender, just a consequence of training people to be absolutely unwavering and unbending about their sense of personal accomplishment. Why would you turn it off just because you're involved with someone?
The bit about having problems in relationships with men who do have lower incomes/career goals. That's all gender.
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Date: 2010-01-21 02:04 am (UTC)I don't know that people who are successful always believe that about themselves though.
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Date: 2010-01-20 04:29 pm (UTC)Do you have like 5-10 minutes in which you might be able to do a quick change? I'm assuming you'll be going from a basic suit into your Jack ensemble in which case you'll already have you chest bound and your hair done. If you wear the shirt you plan on wearing for Jack all you need to do is change your trousers and shoes, throw on the vortex manipulator and The Coat you're done. I'll be at both panels if you need someone to hold all the stuff.
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Date: 2010-01-20 04:32 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-01-20 04:43 pm (UTC)Oh god, I didn't tell you how I wound up talking to some British guy about Torchwood on the cruise and only like ten minutes later realized I was wearing the pin-stripe suit and the brick shirt. I wanted to die.
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Date: 2010-01-20 04:49 pm (UTC)I just found out last night that one of James' friends gave him a Torchwood wristwatch for Christmas even though he's never watched the show. They figured since he's a Whovian he must be a fan.
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Date: 2010-01-20 04:53 pm (UTC)I think he didn't even notice either, but seriously, there we were, talking about mourning rituals and fandom:
Him: "Children of Earth, bloody fantastic that was! Oh, I used a bad word, sorry!"
Me: "Right, so, you know people started leaving flowers at Mermaid Quay, where the tourist office was, right?"
Him: "No! Brilliant! We're up north now, so..."
Me: "So I started wondering, not why does this happen, but why doesn't it always? Why's Ianto special? And of course, he's not... there's all these other characters it's happened with too."
Him: "Goodness. Dumbledore, right!"
Me: "Well, all sorts of stuff went on with Harry Potter!"
Him: "This is exciting"
Me: *gesturing a lot and noticing my cuffs* Oh FucK.
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Date: 2010-01-20 05:00 pm (UTC)Pin stripes and brick dress shirts were fashionable before Ianto Jones but he does make them more awesome. . .and complicated.
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Date: 2010-01-20 05:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-20 04:36 pm (UTC)NYT is already epic failing in that you have to log in to view their site. I won't go there anymore. I actually read a really interesting article about its current CEO, and how he's a moron. :D
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Date: 2010-01-20 05:12 pm (UTC)NYT is already epic failing in that you have to log in to view their site.
Yeah, I just created a spurious 'nym to log in, simply because there are occasional nuggets of interest that get linked to by the likes of ontd_political, or that I've spotted the header on a news-stand and I want to see the follow-up later.
I actually read a really interesting article about its current CEO, and how he's a moron.
Whereabouts? *intrigued*
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Date: 2010-01-20 05:21 pm (UTC)http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/05/new-york-times200905
It doesn't actually outright call him a moron, but it makes it fairly obvious he's not well-thought-of; too conservative a thinker, not quite bright enough, not quite fast enough, suffering from inheriting the thing rather than earning it.
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Date: 2010-01-20 06:04 pm (UTC)Irony - when I clicked to see the article RM linked in NYT about "oh hai we gonna charge", first thing I saw was an advert for The Economist.
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Date: 2010-01-20 05:00 pm (UTC)Thanks to the Interent, anyone seeking to enforce gender or sexuality norms has a much easier time rounding up a posse to embarass someone who deviates from them.
Both of these are simultaneously true. My mind reels.
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Date: 2010-01-21 04:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-20 07:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-20 07:35 pm (UTC)Er, any man worth having?
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Date: 2010-01-20 08:05 pm (UTC)...
Nah. I mean, maybe that sort of thing plays into it for some people, but as someone who used to be the more educated and potentially "successful" (in ways defined by a lot of fucked up class shit on his part) person in a relationship, I can affirm that there exist men who (a) have their self-esteem threatened by their partners and (b) expect their female partners to be on top of household stuff, regardless of who actually cares more/is around more.
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Date: 2010-01-20 09:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-21 04:59 pm (UTC)There's an ugly well of social expectations under there, and the water's all manky.