I was thinking in sort of an off-hand way the other day when I saw someone comment in regard to a couple of Doctor Who episodes (sorry, can't remember which of you it was) about how Britain is never going to get over WWII, that better that then... well, the US. I feel sometimes, that all we can remember is the Cold War that came after and our paranoia. Everyone is out to get us! If we approached the global threat of terrorism through the lends of WWII instead of through the lens of the Cold War, would we be behaving better? Would Gitmo be closed? Would we stop trading civil liberties for a false-sense of security? I don't know, but over here, I think we could use a lot more WWII memories and a lot fewer Cold War ones.
I was thinking in sort of an off-hand way the other day when I saw someone comment in regard to a couple of Doctor Who episodes (sorry, can't remember which of you it was) about how Britain is never going to get over WWII, that better that then... well, the US. I feel sometimes, that all we can remember is the Cold War that came after and our paranoia. Everyone is out to get us! If we approached the global threat of terrorism through the lends of WWII instead of through the lens of the Cold War, would we be behaving better? Would Gitmo be closed? Would we stop trading civil liberties for a false-sense of security? I don't know, but over here, I think we could use a lot more WWII memories and a lot fewer Cold War ones.
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Date: 2010-01-29 07:37 pm (UTC)Cardiff bus ad - its a joke right? I mean it has to be, right? They couldn't have seriously...oh they did. Nevermind.
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Date: 2010-01-29 07:41 pm (UTC)The cold war seems to have a whole different quality here; it's like a scary fairy tale or a bad dream now. People talk about reading Z for Zachariah or When the Wind Blows and how scary they were, but there isn't the same personal level of stories or scars. Or maybe individual terrors are just harder to talk about and quantify.
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Date: 2010-01-29 07:43 pm (UTC)Me, too. Too often I feel like that little rover wanting to be enough, do well enough so that I will get to go home. Wherever it is that home is.
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Date: 2010-01-29 07:49 pm (UTC)My parents can remember watching Manchester burn (the flames were visible twelve miles away) and at less than 50 I'm still old enough to remember bomb sites and having a primary school teacher who still had PTSD from having been torpedoed in the war.
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Date: 2010-01-29 07:49 pm (UTC)So it's stil alive because people who lived it are still alive and told their children, maybe. (Neither my stepdad nor my father talked about it much. My stepdad never said anything and I only got one story from my dad when he was drunk.)
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Date: 2010-01-29 08:00 pm (UTC)Cool, all my friends can go back to freaking out about the David Tennant is dating Georgia Moffett factor. Although I maintain that if DT showed up at the con that there are enough really good Ten cosplayers who look enough like him NO ONE would notice.
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Date: 2010-01-29 08:37 pm (UTC)I am glad his murderer was convicted of 1st degree murder.
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Date: 2010-01-29 08:42 pm (UTC)I watch episodes of Doctor Who with William Hartnell and remember that Hartnell and many of the other actors lived through the Blitz. Even in something as silly as Are You Being Served?, you have characters who were old enough to have fought (young Mr. Grace, Mr. Grainger, Captain Peacock) and others who remember the war or its aftermath from childhood (Mrs. Slocomb). It's very present even in such a comedic context.
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Date: 2010-01-29 08:42 pm (UTC)I saw that ad a couple of days ago and sent to Alec Hopkins, who it turns out is originally a Cardi lad. :c)
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Date: 2010-01-29 09:14 pm (UTC)Have fun if you guys end up going.
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Date: 2010-01-29 09:14 pm (UTC)After it, I said, "Um, you do realise she was making munitions for - um - well -" and Mum said, "Well, obviously. Sounds like they were just as bad to work for as our lot, too."
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Date: 2010-01-29 09:37 pm (UTC)In a weird way, WW II feels more relevant to my life than ’Nam, even though Dad is a Vietnam-era vet (though thankfully he was never In The Shit). My paternal grandfather would have enrolled in dental school if Pearl Harbor hadn't been bombed; instead he joined the Army Air Forces and was part of the group that succeeded the Flying Tigers. Presumably, somewhere there's an alternate universe in which he, Dad, and my uncles are all dentists instead of pilots.
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Date: 2010-01-29 10:36 pm (UTC)Both of these leave a severe impact on the people who experienced them, but the simulated devastation brought to us in "The Day After" or "When the Wind Blows" can't hold a candle to walking the streets and standing in the bombed out pit that was once your home or ancestral house, complete with the bodies of loved ones.
Thanks for making me think. I never would have come up with that one on my own.
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