I was thinking in sort of an off-hand way the other day when I saw someone comment in regard to a couple of Doctor Who episodes (sorry, can't remember which of you it was) about how Britain is never going to get over WWII, that better that then... well, the US. I feel sometimes, that all we can remember is the Cold War that came after and our paranoia. Everyone is out to get us! If we approached the global threat of terrorism through the lends of WWII instead of through the lens of the Cold War, would we be behaving better? Would Gitmo be closed? Would we stop trading civil liberties for a false-sense of security? I don't know, but over here, I think we could use a lot more WWII memories and a lot fewer Cold War ones.
I was thinking in sort of an off-hand way the other day when I saw someone comment in regard to a couple of Doctor Who episodes (sorry, can't remember which of you it was) about how Britain is never going to get over WWII, that better that then... well, the US. I feel sometimes, that all we can remember is the Cold War that came after and our paranoia. Everyone is out to get us! If we approached the global threat of terrorism through the lends of WWII instead of through the lens of the Cold War, would we be behaving better? Would Gitmo be closed? Would we stop trading civil liberties for a false-sense of security? I don't know, but over here, I think we could use a lot more WWII memories and a lot fewer Cold War ones.
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Date: 2010-01-30 05:26 am (UTC)And I so hear you on the idea that sharp dark-haired woman = villain in America. I blame Disney, because I never related to the fair-haired pug-nosed girls that still make up half their princess roster. Fortunately, I married someone who always thought the wicked witches and evil stepmoms were hotter. Awww...
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Date: 2010-01-30 05:41 am (UTC)That was in 1984.
*shudder*
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Date: 2010-01-30 05:46 am (UTC)Mandatory life sentence. GOOD.
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Date: 2010-01-30 06:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-30 08:57 am (UTC)I think it did manage to clarify to me, however, one of the reasons I've been feeling upset and on edge about the proposed US Torchwood series. One of the other complaints about COE which rather got lost in the other stuff was that they blew up the Hub (and a large amount of the Roald Dahl Plass and the Millenium Centre) and RTD, in interviews, didn't even seem to care (poor Myfanwy). And that's been tugging at the back of my mind and last night it came together; he may or may not have been de-gaying the show to make it more palatable to Fox by killing Ianto(I don't believe this was necessarily so, but it's a possibility that I rejected out of hand before the Fox story broke and now am less certain) but he was absolutely certainly de-Britishing the show by blowing up the Hub and therefore destroying the connection with Cardiff. And it's a symbol that new Torchwood - if it happens - will no longer be interested in stories like to The Last Man or exploring the class issues which were done so well and so interestingly in the first three days of COE because they aren't the stories that an American audience is interested in hearing. And there won't be another An Empty Child/The Doctor Dances for the same reason. And that's another bit of my cultural heritage gone. Which makes me both angry and afraid - and hence, liable to lash out. And I am very sorry.
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Date: 2010-01-30 04:51 pm (UTC)As to the rest of it, I always appreciate thinky-thoughts and self-awareness and the ultimate conclusion you reach (regarding your cultural heritage and your feelings about it) is both a good and interesting one.
However, and I'm not saying you did this (quite frankly, I'm not sure, so don't worry about that either, but just as you needed to write out your process above, I need to write out mine below), but this comes up over and over again in my journal (often, it seems, when people are apologizing for things I didn't think they needed to) so I'm just throwing it out there anyway: I have really different feelings about what RTD (or any creative) is obligated to care about. Creatives aren't required to feel the way I feel about a story/place/character. I see the "he didn't even care about Myfanwy" thing over and over again and my main reaction is "was he supposed to?" I've no problem with people saying that ultimately leads to a type of storytelling they don't like or that they feel it produces weaknesses/flaws in the work, but I have a hard time with people criticizing a creator because their/our perception of their emotional involvement in the world isn't what we have decided it should be.
As to Ianto's death -- Jack's narrative is about the tragedy of eternal life. Torchwood's narrative is that (someone said this in fanfic and I love it) in Torchwood "if you don't die young, you die weird" and sometimes it's both. Jack's lovers are going to die as a major plotpoint as long as he has lovers on the show. They are going to be young and go out in grisley ways as long as the plot makes them TW operatives (which since so much of the plot is "you can't have a RL in TW"). If Jack's omnisexuality is going to shown on the show, that means there's going to be a lot of dead young gay dudes. Are we in a cultural moment where that can still look like fridging to lots of people? Yes. Is that the intent? I don't think so. Do any of us truly have any way of knowing what goes on in RTD's head? Nope.
Look, I love watching fictional tragedy. Maybe RTD does too. And maybe he likes his fictional tragedy to look a little bit like his life. Which means when he kills off someone like Ianto, it's not homophobia or some evil plan with Fox or whatever. Maybe he just has buttons that are easily misread in 2010. That's my suspicion anyway.
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Date: 2010-01-31 01:44 am (UTC)Now that I live in the UK, I see the scars on cities like Liverpool and think, yes, they may never really heal. Liverpool was only second to London in the amount of bombing it sustained, but you don't hear about it in the same way you do the Blitz. My (British) husband is far from patriotic, but his sense of what his country went through runs surprisingly deep. We visited the WWII memorial in DC once and he was visibly upset that its dates are only 1941-45. He understands the historical reasons for it, but he felt as if that had erased the trauma of everything that had happened in the 2 years before Pearl Harbour and denied the sacrifices made by those who fought and died in that time. His vehemence shocked me, but I could only agree.
As for attitudes now...the 'Spirit of Blitz' where people pull together and get on with it, does still exist and comes out occasionally. Unfortunately the current government seems in as just as much a hurry to threaten or remove civil liberties as the Bush administration was (though opposition to this is vocal and some measures, like attempting to hold terror suspects for up to 42 days, have been defeated). And you know that when the only political parties referencing British history, albeit *extremely* selectively, are the far-right ones, there are Problems.
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Date: 2010-01-31 03:23 am (UTC)Severus Snape taught me that everything I thought was ugly about myself is actually smoking hot. Jack Harkness taught me to stop pretending I'm the quirky not so cute best-friend next door. Interesting thoughts, and if you don't mind I'd like to use this in an upcoming post on appearance and perceptions that's brewing. Especially since I just volunteered to model (as a hot, fit, differently abled, "dainty punk") for Dr. Sketchy's in LA.
Also, do you have a rough schedule for Gallifrey (sp?) yet? I seriously doubt I can do a full day at a con, but I'd love to find a bit of time for a drink and chatting in the hotel bar or something (I can bring gluten free cookies, or maybe if I learn how to bake better, bread too). I want to meet you (and Patty? or is she staying in NY?) if I can and just talk for a little bit.
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Date: 2010-01-31 04:31 pm (UTC)Saturday is my busiest day in terms of panels if you actually want to see me on programming. It's also arguably the day I have the best downtime for seeing people who just want to come by and hang out in the afternoon/evening.
Patty, who is not of the Whoniverse, is more than happy to be staying home for this one.
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Date: 2010-02-09 03:23 pm (UTC)We were able to see it in Previews on Sunday and it was fun and fluffy. Not going to change anyone's life but Lithgow and Ehle were fun to watch. The set decoration was great (keeping in mind that I'm the Prop Master's aunt!)
If you have any interest in Horton Foote's plays I heartily recommend the Orphan's Home Cycle at the Signature. We were actually in town for the marathon on Saturday and it was amazing. The middle set is the strongest and the final three acts probably don't work very well without the context of the first six but it was sort of a thrill to spend twelve or so hours with the same folks and the nine plays!
Best, Dremiel