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So, it was finally time for "Seeing Red," and my feelings are largely ambivalent. I don't think what Spike did (whether it was rape, attempted rape, threatened rape, etc.) was out of character -- we see him physically and sexually bully women both pre- and post- chip. I did find Buffy's response out of character -- not that she was startled, afraid and weak/injured, but just that what the show has argued as her automatic (not learned, most of us forget what we've learned when we're in danger) fighting abilities were not there. Also, I hated how the scene was overlit, although it was also interesting at the end how the scene where Buffy is talking to Xander before Warren shows up with a gun is also overlit. Also this whole thing doesn't stop me from being engaged with Spike as a character -- that's the great thing about fiction, I can like totally shit people who do totally shit things because their use in a narrative is brain stimulating on some level.
I found Tara's death to be startling, even though I knew about it (I didn't know it was this episode), and well done. I did not find it to be homophobic. Willow and Tara were the last couple standing, and if Whedon wanted all the couples doomed and they'd just gotten back together, that's what he had to do. I also appreciated that prior to the shooting Willow and Tara finally read like people who actually fuck, as opposed to the way lesbians usually read on TV, which is as people who pet each other gently and don't really have sex.
Xander was SUCH AN ASSHOLE in this ep I thought I was going to throw something at the TV.
Loved the Spike/Anya thing.
Meanwhile on Angel, Cordy is some mother goddess demon of love who I assume will eventually sacrifice her life so that Angel can become mortal. Connor is fucked up (and where do I know that kid from) and Holtz has bad make-up and a fucked up plan. Lila is courting Wesley and none of this is going to end well.
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Date: 2010-06-01 04:28 pm (UTC)I know exactly how you feel. I have a hard time rewatching the show in large part because Xander's actions in season six made me hate him so much that I can't even go back and watch young Xander without wanting to throw stuff at my television every time he appears. He's such a controlling misogynist "nice guy (TM)" jerk and he never really gets called on it--I'm pretty sure the writers had no idea how offensive his behavior actually is.
Loved the Spike/Anya thing.
Yes. In my personal canon, they totally ran off and lived questionably-redeemed-demon lives together happily ever after. (There was a lot of good Spike/Anya fic at the time, from embittered former Spuffies who couldn't get over the beating in "Dead Things" and attempted rape in "Seeing Red.")
"Seeing Red" is such a problematic mess. I'm so angry about the writers using rape as a plot device to push their agenda (they thought the audience was too sympathetic to Spike and not sympathetic enough to Buffy, so they decided to punish us for liking the "wrong" character). It was such a shift from the previous portrayal of the Spike/Buffy relationship, which was very much "they're both messed up and they're both making mistakes." It was like, they wanted things to go back to Buffy = good, Spike = bad, and ... I don't know, attempted rape is such a skeevy way to get that emotional reaction from their audience, and it still doesn't erase the more complicated relationship that came before. At the same time, I can't really love Spike as a character any more, because as much as I felt that scene was a manipulation by the writers, it happened and it's horrible.
(The fan wars over that episode were so horrible. It still surprises me to see that people can talk about it without the comments turning into a friendship-destroying real tears flamewar.)
I didn't think Tara's death was homophobic, exactly--it would've been weird if every other couple fell apart but the lesbians were protected. This way they're real characters and suffer just like the others do. And the writers went way out of their way to make Tara sympathetic and to make Warren the most misogynist jerk imaginable--the audience was clearly supposed to love Willow/Tara and to mourn Tara. And, afterward, they still had Willow and she stayed gay (thankfully--it would've been horrible if she'd dated a guy next). But at the same time, I totally understand how broken-hearted and angry the Willow/Tara fans were--people were profoundly invested in that ship, much like I assume many Jack/Ianto fans were.
Don't want to spoil you, but am very curious what you'll think of developments on the Lilah/Wesley front.
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Date: 2010-06-01 05:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-01 05:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-01 06:01 pm (UTC)The writers let them laugh that off with maybe a raised eyebrow but Xander doesn't suffer any consequences for his actions.
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Date: 2010-06-02 09:20 pm (UTC)