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I've also seen a bit of discussion about the presentation of race in the series (notably, an early sequence showing a white band in black-face). Yes, it's historically accurate. But, that doesn't make it unreasonable for people to talk about how it makes them uncomfortable or whether or not showing this moment is necessary to the construction of the show. It's not appropriate to dismiss that conversation, even if you ultimately disagree with the conclusions any particular person involved in it reaches.
I really, really did not know what to do with "Number 5". Is this Angel does Tarrantino? How much of this is as things happen in a supernatural reality and how much of this is as heightened (un)reality narrative bias? Is this racist? Should Whedon ever be allowed near anything that pretends to be about South American or Latin American or Hispanic cultures? Ever? Because I remember "Inca Mummy Girl" and so do you. On the other hand, it had such a small, gentle, touching ending, and I do like the idea that everyone, even the dude you think it just a punchline has an important, meaningful story and deserves your respect.
The Wesley's robot dad episode has its own set of problems. Namely, robot ninjas raining from the sky. Ninjas are a crappy shortcut in terms of narrative and racial presentation (faceless Asian horde, seriously?). On the other hand, the performances knock this out of the park -- we see the awkward Wesley we remember from Buffy, we see a man who is both too ruthless (Wes, just because you have nothing left to live for and would happily give up your life for the greater good, doesn't mean everyone else is on that page) and too generous (for fuck's sake, TELL FRED) to be happy, and, ultimately, we see a man who doesn't know quite what to think about his own childhood. Was his father merely cruel (not that words don't do a lot of damage) or as was referenced in an episode way back (Patty had to remind me) actually physically abusive? What makes Wesley the worse man? the desire to connect with his father or the desire to kill him? None of this works without Alexis Denisof being able to run rings around a simple script (again, ninjas? must we?).
This is also an episode that speaks, again, to so much of early Torchwood -- Wesley and Angel touching base after a night of professional disasters. Wesley, worrying about how their fearless, remote, miserable leader is doing, more than being worried about his own pain related to robot
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:00 pm (UTC)Let's just say there's been more than one occasion where he could have done a lot more to make real equality happen. But he seems more concerned about pushing his party's political goal in the area of economics, and about not pissing off the bigger partner in the coalition.
Still, I'm happy for him and his partner. They've been together for years now, so I'm sure they're overjoyed to take this step. :)
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:14 pm (UTC)It caused a lot of press interest, because he was the first, but it, and the public reaction, were overwhelmingly supportive. It was probably at least in part what gave Westerwelle the courage to officially come out after his homosexuality had been sort of an open secret for years.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:16 pm (UTC)I am completely, btw, fascinated that gay pride there is called the Christopher Street Day apparently (or this may be an odd translation I'm getting from my German-speaking colleagues, I'm not sure). This New Yorker (where Christopher Street is) is tickled by that.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:22 pm (UTC)I keep abreast of the German news partly to maintain language skills and partly because I spent a lot of time procrastinating on the internet (to make it clear that I'm not speaking as someone in Germany, or ever Europe), and it took ages before I found out Westerwelle's gay. There was a small row a while back about whether his partner should go on state visits to countries hostile to gay people and whether by not taking him, Westerwelle was tacitly accepting their policies, which then turned into a debate on whether a straight politician would be subject to such scrutiny of his personal life. On the other hand, I'm not sure it comes up that often that Volker Beck's gay and he'd be my answer if you asked me to name a visible gay German politician.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:24 pm (UTC)This is a totally, totally worthy discussion. What was the ultimate concensus?
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:38 pm (UTC)There was a business component to this as well (well, I think there were two travel to-dos--I think I got them a bit confused and the scrutiny question was the business travel row): http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,684722,00.html As ever, it's only possible to find things on the Spiegel website in the language you're not looking for--hopefully Google Translate won't make a hash of that.
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Date: 2010-09-20 03:10 pm (UTC)Which is also sketchy. Also situations where gay men are persecuted and gay women aren't because of cultural definitions of sex.
Considering all the places Patty and I go both for work and fun, this is stuff we have to think about sometimes.