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I've also seen a bit of discussion about the presentation of race in the series (notably, an early sequence showing a white band in black-face). Yes, it's historically accurate. But, that doesn't make it unreasonable for people to talk about how it makes them uncomfortable or whether or not showing this moment is necessary to the construction of the show. It's not appropriate to dismiss that conversation, even if you ultimately disagree with the conclusions any particular person involved in it reaches.
I really, really did not know what to do with "Number 5". Is this Angel does Tarrantino? How much of this is as things happen in a supernatural reality and how much of this is as heightened (un)reality narrative bias? Is this racist? Should Whedon ever be allowed near anything that pretends to be about South American or Latin American or Hispanic cultures? Ever? Because I remember "Inca Mummy Girl" and so do you. On the other hand, it had such a small, gentle, touching ending, and I do like the idea that everyone, even the dude you think it just a punchline has an important, meaningful story and deserves your respect.
The Wesley's robot dad episode has its own set of problems. Namely, robot ninjas raining from the sky. Ninjas are a crappy shortcut in terms of narrative and racial presentation (faceless Asian horde, seriously?). On the other hand, the performances knock this out of the park -- we see the awkward Wesley we remember from Buffy, we see a man who is both too ruthless (Wes, just because you have nothing left to live for and would happily give up your life for the greater good, doesn't mean everyone else is on that page) and too generous (for fuck's sake, TELL FRED) to be happy, and, ultimately, we see a man who doesn't know quite what to think about his own childhood. Was his father merely cruel (not that words don't do a lot of damage) or as was referenced in an episode way back (Patty had to remind me) actually physically abusive? What makes Wesley the worse man? the desire to connect with his father or the desire to kill him? None of this works without Alexis Denisof being able to run rings around a simple script (again, ninjas? must we?).
This is also an episode that speaks, again, to so much of early Torchwood -- Wesley and Angel touching base after a night of professional disasters. Wesley, worrying about how their fearless, remote, miserable leader is doing, more than being worried about his own pain related to robot
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Date: 2010-09-20 01:42 pm (UTC)Is it bad that I read this as "98% of Americans have different definitions for class boundaries than economics researchers do?" :) I mean I expect they are measuring a real phenomenon, but...
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Date: 2010-09-20 01:44 pm (UTC)But the studies I've seen are so basic, I'm not sure they'd support that reading. It's like "a new tax will affect households making over 70K per year, will that affect you?"
Households then say yes. Then they ask the households how much they make per year, and it's like 50K. And then everyone is confused.
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Date: 2010-09-20 01:51 pm (UTC)While this makes me want to slam my head into the wall it does help frame a lot of problems I've noticed in american politics, namely how very, very easy it is to get people to vote against their own self interests. I always thought that people were under the impression they'd win the lottery or would inherit huge amounts of money from some previously unknown relative due to a tragic and fatal bout of food poising at a family reunion and were ensuring that their future wealthy self would be well cared for.
So they actually think they're currently better off then their 1040 implies?
Math is hard. I guess.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:00 pm (UTC)Let's just say there's been more than one occasion where he could have done a lot more to make real equality happen. But he seems more concerned about pushing his party's political goal in the area of economics, and about not pissing off the bigger partner in the coalition.
Still, I'm happy for him and his partner. They've been together for years now, so I'm sure they're overjoyed to take this step. :)
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:06 pm (UTC)We have examined the "children would have to wait outside for 750000 hours to be ensured of a kidnapping" and determined that that basically means 85 years, and at that point, you are probably no longer pedo-bait. You can still be kidnapped, sure, but it's unlikely to be for the same parental-panic reasons.
Also, she apologizes on behalf of her fandom for the Hetalia ads thing.
~Sor
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:06 pm (UTC)I really, really did not know what to do with "Number 5". I remember watching that one and wincing repeatedly, but every time I think of Wesley's awed expression as he breathes, "¡El Diablo Robotico!" I crack up.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:24 pm (UTC)"Hermanos! The Devil has built a robot!"
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:17 pm (UTC)I was just talking to a mother of two about this very thing yesterday over brunch. She's noticed that her twin girls are gaining weight, and she attributes that to the fact that they don't walk around and don't play outside much anymore. She then asked us at what age we started to "play" outside, and said that it's not socially acceptable to let you kids just play outside unless they are supervised.
She says she feels guilty about the fact that her girls are putting on weight because they're sitting around watching tv instead of running around outdoors, but that between work and household duties, she doesn't have the time to take them every day. Her and her husband are starting to let the 11 year old girls walk to the park a few blocks away on their own, and while it seems to be going well (she goes to join them after a half hour or so), she said she gets judged by the other Moms who are there supervising their kids.
My parents always kicked us out of the house to play outside all day. Granted, we lived on a very quiet street, and most of the neighbours would keep an eye on us kids running around. But we were free to play as we wanted. I can't imagine what it'd be like to be confined to the house or a supervised fenced in yard just because of social fears and expectations.
Sorry, long babble. I might be procrastinating from real work. ;) Good article, thanks for the link. I'll try to send it to the woman I met (she's a friend of a friend).
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:37 pm (UTC)I have a small play ground right out my back gate (within loud speaking voice distance) and I regularly let my daughter go alone to the play ground starting at about 4 1/2. Mind you when she was that young, I stood on the back deck, watched her walk all the way and then stood in the kitchen and watched her play. I still had "concerned" people who didn't know me comment to me about not being there to watch her.
I started letting her go to the farther play ground when she was about 8.
Things have changed so much. Too many playgrounds are designed for tiny kids, 6 and under, rather than the 6 and up set. So by the time kids are being allowed to go play outside, they are too big for the equipment.
Plus, few kids play outside any more. Our neighborhood is full of kids of all ages and the playgrounds are usually empty. The basketball court often has guys playing but that's it. I can walk all around the neighborhood and see very few kids outside, goofing off.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:20 pm (UTC)It's interesting to me how the meaning of "the season" has changed in the past 100 years. And yet it's still the same time of year. I suppose there are still symphonies happening where the beautiful people go to be seen, and in October there will be balls. But at least now you don't have to be listed in the Social Register to get into those.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:29 pm (UTC)I had a conversation about the safety of the public buses in Mont. Co. the other day with our piano teacher. She didn't think the buses were safe enough for an 11 1/2 year old on her own.
Having ridden the local buses often the last few years, they are safer than many other options on a variety of levels. The accidents have been few and far between and deaths haven't occurred at all. I've been sexually harassed whilst waiting for the bus (it was super late and so there was time to start chatting) but never been accosted riding the bus. I have no problems with my daughter taking the bus on her own, if she feels up to it; she still has some reservations.
My daughter has to be driven to school now because there are no county school buses that run from our neighborhood to her new school. All three of us (including my husband who takes her to school; I pick her up) are at much greater risk for injury/death from being in a car accident on the way to and from her school than we were before when I was either taking public transit the entire way or driving a much shorter distance to the Metro station and she was walking to school and riding the school bus.
Not to mention that for women, our greatest risk is in the home and around people we know. We are far more likely to be killed/raped/beat up by a relative, former sig. other, or an acquaintance than a stranger.
I try to combat misinformation but it's so prevalent that it feels like emptying the ocean with an eyedropper.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:50 pm (UTC)We're a one-car family where I mostly walk, precisely because I understand something about statistics.
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Date: 2010-09-20 02:59 pm (UTC)Possibly the best ever character analysis of Wesley. (Not long.)
And then this episode review/analysis which touches upon Wes/Fred and Wes/Lilah and has some of the best ever insights into both ships that I've ever read.
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Date: 2010-09-20 03:03 pm (UTC)Statistically, most kids do not live in the Death Race 2000 remake that is my neighborhood. Fucking Coney Island Avenue. (Obviously we walk everywhere anyway because this is NYC and I don't own a car, but GOOD GOD LOCAL DRIVERS THE RED LIGHTS ARE THERE FOR A REASON.)
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Date: 2010-09-20 03:05 pm (UTC)THE RED LIGHTS ARE THERE FOR A REASON.
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Date: 2010-09-20 03:23 pm (UTC)So it was darkly hilarious to read that they were in fact, putting me in far more danger by driving me places than they would have by letting me walk around by myself.
Oh and another thing? Terrible idea to shut up and shelter your kid that way. I went through massive adjustment problems my first two years of college because I was so much more clueless about the world than I should have been at that age, due to my lack of freedom growing up.
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Date: 2010-09-21 12:36 pm (UTC)I have just had a sudden thought and wonder if she had a bad experience as a kid - that said she was a farm girl in a Buckinghamshire village with a well connected, smallholding-owning and local councillor father. Maybe when we are talking again I will ask her about this! ;-p
http://natalief.livejournal.com/1517227.html
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Date: 2010-09-20 04:11 pm (UTC)(Sorry to be OT, but you're the only one I know of on my flist that watches this, and I had to tell someone :)
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Date: 2010-09-20 04:19 pm (UTC)Thank you.
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Date: 2010-09-20 05:09 pm (UTC)With retirement + a second career + a second earner in a household, it's not hard to hit $150k. The Clinton-era tax bracket for this group was slightly higher and we're just reverting to that level, so the sky is not falling.
However, I'm not certain it's wise to raise taxes for households making under $200 with the economy where it is, however. People have also lost house value, and are reluctant to spend as they normally would on things like new kitchen cabinets, and it's KILLING retail. The little store where I bought my kitchen tile is out of business. I make 5% less than I did two years ago but I don't want to spend money on things like this to improve my house anymore, because I don't know that my job is secure and my house is worth less than I paid for it now, so screw it.
As for kid safety, I think the problem is that hardly anybody lets their kids walk anywhere or do anything unsupervised now, so there are fewer kids out there, creating the illusion that it's weird and unsafe to do this (and maybe it's safer when there are hordes of kids walking to school, anyway, because there you all are, walking within plain view of each other, rather than being the sole kid by herself).
I do live in the burbs and I don't even see kids in their BACKYARDS. They're all at planned activities or playing games on the wii, I guess. I don't know.
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Date: 2010-09-20 05:47 pm (UTC)I actually really love the ROBOT NINJA episode, just because I think the emotion in the acting is stellar. My relationship with my parents never came anywhere near abusive, but I can absolutely relate to that desperation to please and Alexis just nails it for me.
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Date: 2010-09-20 06:10 pm (UTC)But, 6th grade (a couple months after the above incident) was when I was allowed to start taking the bus home by myself. In 8th grade I was allowed to take the bus to school, but I was, under no circumstances, allowed to take the subway to school. Until the following year. (I started taking the subway on the weekends, though. Often I would take the bus anyway because I knew the routes better.)
I felt very restricted in my freedom as a tween and teen, but mostly out of comparison with my older brother. The problem there was that he had lots of friends in nearby neighborhoods, I did not. So where my brother's friends were a short walk or bus ride away, my friends pretty much required the subway, or at least two buses. So it was a weird combo of accessibility and supply. I'm sure there was also some sexism involved, as it's a lot easier to worry about a 5' tall teenage girl than it is to worry about a 6'2 teenage boy.
I was, however, allowed to go to Boston the summer before my senior year of high school. I was accepted at the Berklee College of Music songwriting and guitar sessions, a week a piece. There was no supervision to speak of, and I definitely got up to shenanigans that my parents wouldn't have appreciated, but probably expected. My mother's sole request of me was, "Don't ever go to someone's house." Which, honestly, is pretty good advice for any seventeen-year-old going to another city.
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Date: 2010-09-20 08:31 pm (UTC)Mind, I lived in a rural area and our yard was HUGE and in the middle of nowhere, so the chance of us being hit by a car or snatched off the street was minimal. Still, we had boundary rules (do not go past the second tree on one side of the house or the garbage cans on the other--there was a deep ravine with a sudden drop-off behind the house), but we also walked a quarter mile to the bus stop to wait with the other kids starting in kindergarten. And since we were on the farm route, it might be a good half hour before the bus came.
When we moved to the Houston suburbs, suddenly there were a couple dozen kids on the street and pick up games of roller hockey almost every day after school. When we out grew that, I used to walk by myself to the neighborhood park to sit on the swings and think (I was a strange, melancholy child due to undiagnosed chronic depression).
I don't have children of my own yet (though I am thinking seriously about adoption), so I don't know what'll go through my head when it's my kid. Though, honestly, I'll probably end up being labeled a 'bad parent' for letting my kid be too Free Range.
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Date: 2010-09-20 09:54 pm (UTC)Second, I have to note that I'm kind of peeved at the Free Range Kids gal being treated as a statistical expert. I'd rather have the article quote someone she got her numbers from, you know?
Third, one thing that's changed as far as I can tell in terms of the subjective nature of risk assessment is neighborhoods. My parents knew their neighbors, more or less, even when they were transient student rentals. My parents now live about ten blocks away from where I grew up, but they don't seem to know their neighbors as well.
I'm not particularly qualified to say much more, because I grew up in dense college-town suburbia and now live and parent in an urban setting, so it's hard for me to tell what's changed across-the-board in terms of community organization (both spatial and interpersonal) and what hasn't.
I'd feel uncomfortable letting my kids run around my neighborhood without supervision not because of kidnapping fears, but because of traffic--the same reason, more or less, that I have indoor cats. Our yard has a water feature that can't be fenced off, so no running around the back yard unsupervised either. We don't have a front yard. So we go on a lot of walks and we drive or take public transit to parks a lot.
There has definitely been a change in parenting expectations, too. You're expected to have a much higher level of engagement, especially with younger children, than I remember being true during my childhood. This is the aspect that I find most creepily intrusive. Independent play, and lots of it, was crucial to me. I was definitely not neglected by my mother sitting by a tree reading her book while I ran around.
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Date: 2010-09-21 02:49 am (UTC)Also - you're absolutely right on the neighborhoods thing too. As I grew and my 'free range' area increased, I now realize that I personally knew at least one person on every block that got added, whom I would not hesitate to ring their doorbell if I needed help of whatever kind - bathroom, bandaid, bullying kids, anything. That was almost certainly a factor for my parents.
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Date: 2010-09-21 02:04 am (UTC)http://natalief.livejournal.com/1516697.html
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