![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I've also seen a bit of discussion about the presentation of race in the series (notably, an early sequence showing a white band in black-face). Yes, it's historically accurate. But, that doesn't make it unreasonable for people to talk about how it makes them uncomfortable or whether or not showing this moment is necessary to the construction of the show. It's not appropriate to dismiss that conversation, even if you ultimately disagree with the conclusions any particular person involved in it reaches.
I really, really did not know what to do with "Number 5". Is this Angel does Tarrantino? How much of this is as things happen in a supernatural reality and how much of this is as heightened (un)reality narrative bias? Is this racist? Should Whedon ever be allowed near anything that pretends to be about South American or Latin American or Hispanic cultures? Ever? Because I remember "Inca Mummy Girl" and so do you. On the other hand, it had such a small, gentle, touching ending, and I do like the idea that everyone, even the dude you think it just a punchline has an important, meaningful story and deserves your respect.
The Wesley's robot dad episode has its own set of problems. Namely, robot ninjas raining from the sky. Ninjas are a crappy shortcut in terms of narrative and racial presentation (faceless Asian horde, seriously?). On the other hand, the performances knock this out of the park -- we see the awkward Wesley we remember from Buffy, we see a man who is both too ruthless (Wes, just because you have nothing left to live for and would happily give up your life for the greater good, doesn't mean everyone else is on that page) and too generous (for fuck's sake, TELL FRED) to be happy, and, ultimately, we see a man who doesn't know quite what to think about his own childhood. Was his father merely cruel (not that words don't do a lot of damage) or as was referenced in an episode way back (Patty had to remind me) actually physically abusive? What makes Wesley the worse man? the desire to connect with his father or the desire to kill him? None of this works without Alexis Denisof being able to run rings around a simple script (again, ninjas? must we?).
This is also an episode that speaks, again, to so much of early Torchwood -- Wesley and Angel touching base after a night of professional disasters. Wesley, worrying about how their fearless, remote, miserable leader is doing, more than being worried about his own pain related to robot
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 03:19 pm (UTC)My best friend has kids in the Spotsylvania Co. Va. school system and for the elementary students (5th grade and younger) someone has to be waiting at the end of the driveway for them when they are dropped off/picked up. If no one is at the end of the driveway, the bus drivers are instructed to not let the kids off the bus and return them to school where a parent/alternate responsible adult is then called to come get the kids.
This is because a trio of girls (12-16) were kidnapped and killed (Kristin and Kati Lisk and Sofia Silva) there in 1997 after getting off the school bus. Mind you, these girls would've all been too old to be included in this rule and all of them old enough to pick up younger kids.
In general, things are better for kids. Wearing seat belts and bike helmets, being in car seats, and in the back seat saves lives.
In suburbia though, people are way too afraid, when they really have no reason to be.
I am in total agreement with wondering about the currents kids learning to be independent. It's so hard to get them to want to be that independent sometimes.
I regularly have conversations with my daughter on how old she thinks she should be for thing X to happen (date, ride the bus by herself, walk to the local grocery store, go to the farther away playgrounds, etc.) She regularly says an older age than I do. Our kids are picking up that we think the world is a terrifying place, even when it isn't.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 03:22 pm (UTC)This. My parents were extremely over-protective of me, but all I wanted was to take the short public bus ride from across the street from our house and walk a few blocks to my school. In, btw, one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in New York City.
I can't imagine being ten and not chaffing for more freedom.
Do parents let their 16-year-olds go on spring break trips on their own anymore? I wasn't allowed to go to Cancun like some of my friends, but a group of my friends and I went to DC for the weekend.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 03:30 pm (UTC)Oh my. That was so not an issue when I was a teenager. Spring break trips period? Nope, couldn't afford it. I'd be allowed to take the bus into the city (I lived in rural Manitoba) to visit my best friend or boyfriend, though, so maybe that counts?
I am constantly amazed how different everyone's lives are, even those growing up on the same continent. I mean, I grew up in both a small prairie city and then a much smaller rural town. It felt like everyone had very similar life experiences. I can't help but be in awe over the glamour (in my eyes) you seem accustomed to. Although I do understand that it's not all theatre and vacations and famous people. :) While the internet can be a scary place at times, it's fabulous for seeing perspectives outside of your own little bubble.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 03:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 03:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 03:42 pm (UTC)I understand how safe things like the buses and the Metro are both because of personal experience and the ability to read and understand statistics. She's still young enough for many things to be brand new. She's yet to travel truly on her own, so even though she's ridden the public bus and Metro a lot, she's never done it By Herself, and so it's weird and scary. And she's gotten the message from everywhere that the world is a Weird and Scary Place, even though we regularly show her that it isn't really.
Kids don't generally travel on their own any more, any where outside of the local area without at least one adult present. Sometimes, that adult is an older sibling/other relative and only barely older (and not necessarily the most mature person in the group) but 16 year olds, going camping for a weekend, not happening. Leaving the country on their own? Totally not happening. The parents would be considered neglectful and wrecklessly endangering their kids.
Kids 16 and up are still allowed to stay over night at home without parents. Though, I think that could also vary according to jurisdiction. Some places may be stricter.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 03:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 04:25 pm (UTC)I don't tell her about cracking her head open or putting her eye out. She does thought have to sit in the backseat and there will be negotiations when she gets to be old enough to drive. (I do not think 16 year olds have enough life experience to drive in the metro DC area.)
My mother was killed in a carwreck and my sister gravely injured. I know how dangerous cars are and when the kidlet asks to sit in the front seat I say point blank, "No. It's too dangerous. I'm not risking what happened to your auntie happening to you."
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 08:55 pm (UTC)(I'm sorry for your family's loss.)
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 10:18 pm (UTC)And thanks. It was a long time ago, nearly 28 years ago but it left its mark.
Learning to drive *smart*
Date: 2010-09-20 11:35 pm (UTC)When you're ready to start thinking about her driving...*if* it's not too distracting for you, I'd recommend you start talking about your decision process while you're driving. Just an ongoing commentary, so she learns what you're taking in. Some front-seat time before she starts trying to drive would be good, too. You don't get the same sense of the road from the back seat.
I learned to merge onto freeways by practicing on a surface street that had a similar "on ramp" type turn - no stop, just drive and learn to yield. I found it nervewracking, but until I could do that, I was trapped in suburban L.A.
Something I wish my parents had done for me is more training in learning how to adjust my mirrors, and to teach me what I could reasonably expect to see in my mirrors. I knew the mechanics, but not the conceptual tools. (The summer I got my license was full of parental marriage explosion drama, capped by suicide of a parent. It was not a good time, to put it mildly.)
I would park the car in a parking lot, set out some cones (or other appropriate height markers in all the spots where you should be able to see, and have your teen practice adjusting until they're visible. Set a few cones in the blind spots, or have people stand there, to give a real understanding of how that works.
I don't have a "learning to change lanes" exercise, but I note that it's one of my biggest points of nervousness in driving, even now.
(I'd do all my initial "learn how to steer a car" stuff in a deserted weekend morning parking lot, actually.)
Now, as far as learning defensive driving techniques...this may sound crazy, but I'd have her take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's basic motorcycle skills class. Learning to think like a motorcyclist has done more for my car driving skills than anything else. Constantly scanning the road for my escape route made a huge difference.
That's my plan for how my kids will be learning. I haven't tested this out, and I'm sure I'm missing some major things. I'm guessing that you're planning on a professional teaching some basic driving skills, anyway. I've tried to just cover the fine-tuning bits. I hope someone else reading this has more ideas.
Re: Learning to drive *smart*
Date: 2010-09-21 02:12 pm (UTC)And yeah, there will be private lessons on top of the crap they get through school. I may even see if it would be possible to get her to skip the school based lessons (more the actual driving part than the booked based part) because I was stuck in a car with an absolute idiot that terrified me and my gym teacher was hopelessly clueless.
You've got some really good ideas that make a lot of sense and sound really helpful.
And as we get closer to 16 (she's 11 1/2 now) I'll definitely talk more about the mechanics of driving.
Front seat time will have to wait a bit because I think Maryland's got a rule of who sits up front. Kids under 12 or 100 lbs. need to be in the back. (which is funny because there are lots of adult women who don't weigh enough to sit in the front seat ;-p) It's a seat belt/air bag safety thing.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 03:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 03:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 03:16 am (UTC)My mother was left alone to watch her younger brothers for a week when she was 15. But my mom had older (married) siblings around in case she needed help, although I think my grandparents were out of the country (?!).
no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 03:03 am (UTC)My parents let me travel by myself from the time I was 16, but I don't think they would have let me go en masse with friends to another country.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 03:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 03:06 am (UTC)I don't feel like my personal experience is the best answer to that, though.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 03:42 pm (UTC)That's amazing that your daughter is figuring she's too young to do all these things. My brother and I always wanted to do stuff long before my parents would let us, and my parents really encouraged independence.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 04:17 pm (UTC)I wanted my daughter to start walking home on her own in first grade but she didn't feel comfortable with that until 3rd grade. So I'd walk up to school and fetch her on the days I didn't work. At third grade I said, "You're old enough. Do it. You'll be fine." And she was and all was well though she was really concerned at first.
Kids younger than first grade need to walk with someone older. Our local elementary school allowed older siblings to walk their younger siblings home. Packs of kids were allowed to walk home from our local school together starting at about 2nd grade, especially if there were older kids (4th or 5th graders) in the group.
For her middle school, the kids could take the public buses home and the youngest kids are 11 (6th grade). Up until this year, the students even got free rides on the public buses. Unfortunately due to budgets cuts, that service is gone.
The kidlet's dad doesn't think she's old enough to ride the buses on her own yet but I think she could. We're still negotiating that.
It's weird because I'm the country kid. I grew up in rural southeastern Virginia without public transit anywhere and I want the kidlet to learn to navigate public transit to get herself places on her own.
I didn't walk much as a kid because nothing was within walking distance. And the one time I walked home from my high school (I was 16 or 17), which was about a mile and a half from my house, I got called in to talk to the principal because it was too dangerous for me to walk home. (Admittedly, there were no sidewalks and people drove like maniacs on my road but my parents let me collect aluminum cans all the time, on my road, by myself.)
My husband, who's the suburban guy, is way more conservative than I on letting our daughter ride alone. We take her on all forms of transit, all over the place (she's ridden subways and buses in San Juan, NYC, San Francisco, San Diego, Atlanta, and DC), so it's not an aversion to transit. It's the letting her out in a wide world that isn't particularly kind to women. I'm of the learn to deal with it now, when you have someone to help explain it and he's of the shelter her a bit longer mind set.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-21 06:26 am (UTC)I live on a neighborhood street behind Buckner Blvd (major 6 lane road) and drivers sometimes use the neighborhood street as a quick cut to get away from the traffic on Buckner.
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't continue to drive as if they were still on Buckner. We've had drivers stopped by cops that were doing 70 on this two lane road. Or cars have hit that spot where the sand from that high yard has crept on the street, so they loose control and go into someone's yard or car. (That's happened way too often.) And yes, they've hit pedestrians that were on the sidewalk or at the bus stop too.
Some areas of Dallas are pretty old, so there are no sidewalks, just grass and that open rain guttering system. Not so bad during the dry season, but when it rains, you're pretty much stuck having to walk on the road.
Oh, sometime back there were some parents who raised a fuss over the fact that they couldn't get the bus to pick up their kids. They lived within that 3 mile limit. (You must live outside the 3 mile limit for your kids to ride the bus.) Trouble was, this group lived on one side of the North Dallas Tollway, while their kids' school was on the other side. Ya' gotta love bureaucracy. And the paper or the news never did give a follow up on that one.
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 08:05 pm (UTC)Cue me blinking for a moment while I tried to process that. (I'm from Houston which fails at public transportation and grew up in rural Michigan where it was nonexistent)
no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 08:41 pm (UTC)I can remember my mom being furious she had to pay for the schoolbus until I was in third grade and then railroading the principal on my younger siblings being allowed to walk home with me as soon as I was. I'm not sure I felt ready to walk home when I was younger than that, but then all the older neighbors took the bus at that point too. My siblings, otoh, never waited for me to 'pick them up' from their teacher, so I was always getting in trouble about that, but they felt just fine walking home on their own (~1.5miles).
I watch other kids at the playground and try to guess ages for when it'll be ok to let mine go alone. As far as the grocery store thing, it's nice around here in that if I notice or am noticed leaving kids in car while returning cart, the observer just tends to stand at their car and watch until mom is back, nod with a smile and continue on.
As far as being alone, I'm pretty sure that was legally defined where I grew up (chicago 'burbs), but that many people also ignored that. I know there were scandals about liquor cabinets being broken into during jr high, as the HS 'babysitters' were only to happy to join the party.
public transit was a default way of getting to and from school and in HS of visiting friends in the city proper.
As it is, I'm thought weird because my kids are ready for and asking their friends about sleepovers. Though the whole spending one night a week at the grandparents for years now when I taught in the evenings is undeniably a factor there.
Neighborhood girl I mentioned in other comment will probably try to transfer to same school we're trying to get ours into so we can share meet the bus duties/carpooling/etc until theirs is old enough to walk the neighborhood crew home.