[personal profile] rm
I've never been to Wiscon, because it never, ever fits into my schedule. But I go to cons, and, because of the HP fandom, I go to cons that are almost exclusively women. Women who are, among other things, sometimes fat and queer and living with a disability.

Here's the thing, and it's not a thing I've ever been comfortable with: I pass. I have a profound amount of privilege for what I am. I'm thin, my disability is invisible, my appearance is white, and it is very very easy for me not to appear queer or genderqueer, whether I mean this to be the case or not.

It is strange to be both lucky and ashamed of that luck. It is strange to be a chameleon who never got a choice in the matter of all her choice. Looking at me there's so little about me that you would necessarily know. Even my age. I'll probably be able to pass for a socially acceptable 25 for a long time yet.

The thing is, I've never meant to keep these secrets or dodge bullets like the great Something Awful debacle of this year's Wiscon. But what happens to me in person and what happens to me online are often two different things.

Because here I talk about what you can't see, and that makes it not just true for you as well as me, but it also paints a bullseye. For those of you newer to the friendlist, one of the reason so many people are banned from this journal is related to an Internet drama from a couple of years ago, which brought all sorts of creeps to this journal "accusing" me of transexuality.

I have a lot of trans and intersexed friends and even if I didn't, for me to answer judgmental questions about my own biological gender implies that the act of judgment is somehow acceptable and that other people have a right to demand to know what's in my or anyone else's pants. Wrong. I refused to answer, and things that were already unpleasant in the threads got worse. And I took out my big bad ban stick.

Yeah, you can throw rocks in my virtual living room, but I can also throw you out the door. Deal with it.

I am sick to fucking death of dyke or lesbian or man being a way to call women ugly. I am sick to death of bitch and girl and pussy to call down the spectre of cowardice on men. And I am sick unto fucking death of transfolk being treated as if they are somehow unreal, temporary of spirit or the last of the circus sideshow.

Our world is filled with the tyrranies of the flesh. And the discussion of that extends well into the online sphere. Because of what I do and who I am, I deal with this day in and day out. In France, an agent told me, I would actually be beautiful. Lose five pounds. Get stronger. Practice more. A man would be taller. Laughter and a remark on the size of my shoulders. Sir at the bank because I refuse to lower my eyes when I make a request.

My flesh was made for our little binary world more than most people's. But I wasn't. And I try not to hide behind what I have. But sometimes it is so unavoidable that all I can do is be a supporter in what is actually, also my own battle. Because it doesn't show. Because I could have more secrets than I do.

This is one of the more moving responses to what happened at Wiscon. I practically stood up and cheered at the office.

Call me a man. Call me a woman. I don't care. But you damn well better make it a compliment or at least mere observation. Because otherwise, you're wasting your breath. I'm not going to be anything other than what I am no matter what you say. And I'm not going to be quiet. And no matter who you target or why, I am not going to relax into this life of passing.

It needs to be said. And it needs to be said not just because of Wiscon or my fannish life or the vitriol of the LJ Advisory Board election, but because you have more freedom than you think you do. Every single one of you.

Of us.

Don't let anyone EVER tell you otherwise.

Even yourself.
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Date: 2008-05-29 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beetiger.livejournal.com
Brava. And thank you.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
And thank you!

Date: 2008-05-29 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puppetmaker40.livejournal.com
Bravo.

Yeah I heard about this through the grapevine.

I think your response here is a good one to the situation.

Date: 2008-05-29 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popfiend.livejournal.com
What she said.

Date: 2008-05-29 12:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chaos-by-design.livejournal.com
I'm sick of the requirement for women to be beautiful, or at least, not ugly. If a man is ugly, it's an afterthought. If a woman is ugly, it's a cardinal sin.

I'd like to not be judged by my looks, period.

Date: 2008-05-30 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] panther.livejournal.com
I'd like to not be judged by my period, period.

I mean honestly. Gender is hardly binary, and I don't fit correctly into either one of the polar choices.

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Issues, Issues

Date: 2008-05-29 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keith418.livejournal.com
I live in the Bay Area, and these kinds of rants sometimes seem so strange to me until I realize you're still living in New York. I grew up in New York and despite the city, and Stonewall, and the Village, it's a zone I still see as very, very homophobic and sexist. Therefore, these posts always seem like a time warp thing to me.

If you lived in an area that had a giant population of not only "out" people, but - like in Oakland - families of gays and lesbian couples with kids (my boss is gay and he and and his partner have a 6 year old daughter who goes to our nearby school), you might see much of this differently. I keep wondering why you don't want to live in a friendlier environment. The sort of attitude you are railing against here is one of the reasons I hate the East Coast in general. Sometimes I think that it's almost like you're living in the South and complaining that people are racist.

I'm also curious as to why you don't explore the origins of this kind of sexism and homophobia more. If people change their attitudes, what makes them change? What conditions are there to cause the stuff you don't like and what conditions are there, or need to be there, to create the changes you want to see? One of the biggest differences I see on the West Coast is that we just don't care so much about ethnic and religious differences (race is still there). On the East Coast, people really CARE about being Irish, or Italian, or Puerto Rican, or whatever their ethnic background is. On the West Coast (for example), I meet people of Italian descent all the time (met one last night), who never feel the need to emphasize it the way Italians in New York did when I was a kid. Do people's class, ethnicity, and religious backgrounds add to, or subtract to the conditions that create these problems? Are they, on the other hand, also a factor when people change?

Ultimately, I can't help wondering what things would be like for you if you didn't have these battles to fight. What new issues would engage you and how would you change? Once the fight for respect and basic equality is over, what then? Do you endlessly seek to magnify smaller problems into greater significance - pursuing them with the same vehemence? Or do you return to question your own other assumptions?
Edited Date: 2008-05-29 02:10 pm (UTC)

Re: Issues, Issues

Date: 2008-05-29 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalichan.livejournal.com
Okay, I normally don't get into flaps anywhere, and certainly not on other folk's journals, but the sheer audacity & blinding privilege of your comment has filled me with so much rage, I was impelled to post.

Sometimes I think that it's almost like you're living in the South and complaining that people are racist.

Are you serious??? There are so many things wrong with this analogy, I don't even know where to start. It's perfectly acceptable to be enraged about people being racist, you know, anywhere. It is not our responsibility to move out of places that have bigotry and prejudice - a) because that's everywhere, and b) because it's our responsibility as thinking members of society to fight and speak out against these things wherever we are. People sometimes leave places because they don't like or can't deal with a certain environment; no one ought to judge that personal choice, but conversely, how dare anyone judge a decision that involves staying and fighting and speaking up for what one believes is right?

Ultimately, I can't help wondering what things would be like for you if you didn't have these battles to fight. What new issues would engage you and how would you change? Once the fight for respect and basic equality is over, what then? Do you endlessly seek to magnify smaller problems into greater significance - pursuing them with the same vehemence?

The fight for respect and basic equality is nowhere near over, and it amazes me that anyone could speak as if it is either already accomplished, or so close to finished that people should start examining social problems for the next great issue to come upon us. This fight, regardless what someone who "lives in the Bay Area" might think is not even close to finished - your comment, as engulfed with privilege as it is, goes pretty far to making my point.

Your questions, for example: "Do you endlessly seek to magnify smaller problems into greater significance - pursuing them with the same vehemence?" are so patronizing! How do you figure that these are "smaller problems" - have you ever been on the short end of the sexism stick? Do you know what it's like to be a person of color in the white-centric world? Do you know what it's like to walk through the world as a queer person in a monosexual world? And just for the record, it wasn't really all that different in essence in San Francisco than it was in Rome than it was in New York than than it was in Atlanta.

BTW the West Coast can be unbelievable racist and anti-semitic and sexist in ways that just wouldn't fly on the East Coast. Geography doesn't determine these issues - just the manner in which they present themselves.

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Some Nuance Please

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Crosses To Bear

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Rivers To Cross

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Whoa...

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Writing People Off

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Hey now!

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Date: 2008-05-29 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonlady7.livejournal.com
Yes, yes yes yes.
I'm linking to this in various places because it says things that I either don't know how to, or haven't the experience to say. I get pigeonholed as straight, white, female, acceptable as well, and am trying to have the courage to say,
Yes I am acceptable, but not because of those things, and it is not your place to judge that.


But it's hard. It's a hard argument to make. And it gets derailed all the damn time. And it becomes defensive, and I am working at cross-purposes with myself.
So thank you for being what you are and saying what you do, because your allies may not always be able to be so articulate. You say things with a rigorous beauty I can't muster.



Tiny note: "tyranies" missing an R, "loose 5 pounds" has extra O. Just thought I'd point those out because I am linking to this a lot and you don't normally make typos like that.

Date: 2008-05-29 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Got 'em, thanks (and thanks in general). It usually takes me several hours of randomly going over a post to get all the typos out (and I only do it for the serious stuff).

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Date: 2008-05-29 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hakeber.livejournal.com
Brava!

I was at Wiscon, albeit only briefly on Friday, and when I first stumbled on that SA post...you have no idea how thankful I was that I wasn't in any of them, and neither was my daughter. But several of my friends were, which is why I had to post the link, to warn them.

This is scarcely my first brush with goons. I'm a member of a fandom that has been a special target of goons for many years. It's subsided, but for quite a few of us, it's still a sore spot, and many of us now regularly check up on them, just to be sure we're not being targeted (at least openly) again. They are the reason several of my comms are locked, with membership by approval only.

As for the LJ voting, it certainly will be intersting so see how things shake out.

Agreement on Transgender Issue

Date: 2008-05-30 02:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Watch out goons, it might eat your first born.

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FAIL!!

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oh man

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Yes?

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Amen, sibling.

Date: 2008-05-29 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gement.livejournal.com
I have many of your physical characteristics, and I tend to date guys. It's hard for me to not pass without feeling like I'm waving a "Trying To Be Offensive Today" flag.

Sometimes I find myself wondering if I'm "queer enough to count," and then I have to shake my head at the silly monkey brain and its tribal sensibilities, its fear of being shunned. And then I go back to looking at drag king compression shirts on my lunch break.

Re: Amen, sibling.

Date: 2008-05-29 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Gawd, how excited am I that you're on my friends list?

Re: Amen, sibling.

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Re: Amen, sibling.

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Date: 2008-05-29 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] norda.livejournal.com
Thank you.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
And thank you!

Date: 2008-05-29 04:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] alabastard.livejournal.com
Well said. I've been called every cheap shot in the book, time and time again, but I keep coming, and of course I am then scary, over and over. I know who I am, and I won't bend to anyone's idea of who I should or should not be.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Word.

Date: 2008-05-29 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenacious-snail.livejournal.com
I think you may be making a squeeing fangirl out of me. (or, um, squeeing fanperson of indeterminate and shifting gender.)

Date: 2008-05-30 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Heh! Thanks.

Date: 2008-05-29 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weirdodragoncat.livejournal.com
Thank you. I'll be reposting that article...its *that* important.

Again...thank you!

Date: 2008-05-30 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
And thank you!

Date: 2008-05-29 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] besideserato.livejournal.com
There is beauty and strength in the way you expose yourself. It radiates from you to everyone who passes by this space and for that I am immensely thankful for the vitriol of the Advisory Board election without which, being a total square with no concept of fandom, I would have never found you. Thank you so much for opening yourself up and for accepting me in the circle of people who get a chance to witness this beauty.

Date: 2008-05-29 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you very much. It's what I can do. I should warn you though I can be boring for pretty large swathes of time, but that my fencing practice usually keeps me writing something with some integrity to it.

Date: 2008-05-29 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] realtsunamigirl.livejournal.com
I hope that you will take this as a compliment because it is intended to be such.

I would not call you a man or a woman, based on what I have read in your journal over the last year or so; I would call you a lady.

A lady approaches the world with poise and grace and uses good manners not as arbitrary rules in which to trap the unwary, but rather as a balm to comfort the lost and confused and a weapon to punish the cruel and vicious. A real lady always rises in defense of those she perceives as in need and fights for them to the full extent of her abilities, whatever they may be.

I use the term lady rather than gentleman not as a gender biased concept, but rather as an acknowledgement of the traditional difference in the expectations of the roles to be fulfilled by gentlemen and gentlewomen.

I may just be a lurker, but I really do listen:-)

And I realise that this may be somewhat off of the main topic, but I always get grumpy when I hear about people forcing gender issues. It may not personally affect me, but I have seen too many people ground up and spit out about it to not be sensitive on the subject.

Date: 2008-05-29 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
No offense taken. It's the last thing I've ever expected to be (what with the foul mouth and all), but it's certainly a good thing to be!

Thank you!

Date: 2008-05-29 06:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] wemblee.livejournal.com
Here via [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink. You are awesome.

Date: 2008-05-29 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!
From: [identity profile] stardragonca.livejournal.com
"Are you now,or have you ever been...?"
Yes,I think we know where that road leads to,and I believe they chained it off for a reason.

Date: 2008-05-29 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roadnotes.livejournal.com
Excellent.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thanks!

Date: 2008-05-30 01:31 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elz.livejournal.com
This is a wonderful post - thank you for making it! Nobody should ever have to feel like they have to earn their right to be respected as a human being, nor that anyone else has the right to take that away from them. Because they so, so, so don't, and any sad little trolls who try only diminish themselves and no one else.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thanks!

Date: 2008-05-30 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bethbethbeth.livejournal.com
Excellent post.

*applauds*

Date: 2008-05-30 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2008-05-30 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylvertongue.livejournal.com
I am often glad that I stumbled across your lj (and wow, now I get to tell all my friends that I was a fan before you got that huge record deal < /irony > ) but today, I'm especially glad. Thank you for posting.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Hee hee, thanks!

Date: 2008-05-30 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morinon.livejournal.com
Until I saw this, I didn't really have any strong opinions on the vote. Now, you have my vote.

Seconds before closing, too.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thank you!

Date: 2008-05-30 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ionotter.livejournal.com
You win at life.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Thanks!

Date: 2008-05-30 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-aulnoy.livejournal.com
What a marvelous, marvelous post. Ironically enough, I found it in the SASS cesspool (at least some good comes out of it, right?), and hope you will not mind if I friend.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Welcome. And thanks for the heads up.

Date: 2008-05-30 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] systris.livejournal.com
this wiscon thing has got my dander up something fierce! but beware that some have referred to the offending idiot by her initials which unfortunately are RM...yeesh i hope that you dont get hate mail that isnt yours.

Date: 2008-05-30 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
Yeah, I saw that. This is also being liked to on the SASS forums. I expect lots of drama.

Date: 2008-05-30 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eruditeviking.livejournal.com
*applauds*

Very, very well written.

(BTW I don't know if you know or care, but [livejournal.com profile] moominmuppet is my sister.)

Date: 2008-05-30 02:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
To misquote Chaucer, thou art a verray parfit, gentil knight (and in my world, knights can be of either gender or none), and I cheer thy post.

And trolls may be most noticeable on the internet, but they are everywhere. Doesn't mean we should pay respect to them, online or off it.
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