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You know, it scares me when I have to say that comparatively, DW/TW/SJA fandom is so sane, but it is, especially in comparison to the antics over in Supernatural fandom ("let's send RPS to the actors" and "let's call security on the actors' gfs") and now SGA fandom (poor bastard). Of course, I know not to tar whole fandoms with the crazy brush, and I'm sure it will be my poor little fandom's turn soon, but perhaps, oh perhaps, we will heed these cautionary tales of batshittery. At least our bad boundary stuff has mostly happened in private. Christ.

Saw the SyFy name change ads on the bus this morning. STILL WRONG.

Forgot to mention I saw the preview for the new Trek when we saw Watchmen the other day. It looks AWESOME.

Orson Scott Card has joined the board of NOM or 2M4M or whatever the anti-gay marriage gathering storm bigots are calling themselves this week. No, I'm not surprised. And at this point, one can hardly even be disappointed. But I am, just a little, because at a given point you just run out of ways to boycott the work of someone that objectionable. That's right, I'm annoyed because I can't find a way to reject Card and his work enough.

Working my butt off. Lots of wacky freelance writing and deadlines for the Germans. In limbo on various creative/criticism projects. Fighting pothos.

Woo! Hey, got a CoT nomination for that Jack/Andy/Ianto porn I wrote the other day. Meanwhile, trying to finish a ton of small stories and feeling increasingly dubious I will make the Tardis Big Bang deadline. IHNIIHBT and one of its installments (The Most Beautiful Girl in the World) also won some other awards a couple of days ago. Yay.

Patty, still in Atlanta. Cool things there yesterday, but for her to tell.

Comments

[schpahky.livejournal.com]

The new Trek movie looks totally awesome. And I am not even into Trek.

[heron61.livejournal.com]

*nods* I'm hoping it's more than just an action flick, but at worst it looks to be a very nifty action flick, and from what I've been hearing it will be very cool indeed.

[rm.livejournal.com]

Hey, unlocked post. Not for work details. I'll post about that when I get a chance, except it wasn't that interesting except as a weird exercise in alternate political history.

[brewsternorth.livejournal.com]

Gleep! Poor Dhew. I think there are some fairly disturbing Tennantfen, but even they wouldn't stoop to that. Yet.

UGH. Will never get used to SyFy. Sounds like a bad brand-name detergent.

Trek sounds - odd, but Simon Pegg as Scotty can only be a good thing.

I never got into Card's work in the first place: now it seems I have another reason to be more reticent to do so.

G'luck!

[lonebear.livejournal.com]

I'm debating:

I bought card's books before I knew what a douchbag he is.
I have not given him any money since. I try to avoid even compilations that he has a work in.

Do I get rid of his books, or keep them.

Actually not an easy decision.

[ericcoleman]

My son is a big fan of OSC's work ... and it bugs him cause, in my son's words "he's such an asshole"

[neifile7.livejournal.com]

Hey, congrats on the nom and the recent Forbidden Awards, all well-deserved!

And this is a fucking Huge Can-O-Worms, but I'd like to hear more (maybe at a later date) on where you think the bad boundary stuff comes from in fandoms. It kind of worries me sometimes. Been thinking about this since your LunaCon posts, actually.

[rm.livejournal.com]

Well, I think it's a hugely different issue in media fandoms (where there are stars who are hot), but I do have some pretty clear feelings about it. And yeah, it's on the inherently ugly topic list.

[offbalance.livejournal.com]

People went to this poor guy's house? Unbelievable. Will the battshittery never cease?

As for OSC, he's such a bigoted asshole that it's kind of prevented any fond feelings I might have had for the Ender/Bean books, which I really liked before I truly grasped the depth of his asshattery.

[tommx.livejournal.com]

I had heard that about Orson Scott Card. I'm now no longer really fretting that I never read any of his stuff. Granted, I never really was to begin with.

[redstapler.livejournal.com]

Every time OSC reasserts his bigotry, it hurts me more and more.

Ender's Game was SUCH an important book to me, that it feels like knives in my heart to hear him be such an asshole.

[browneyedgirl65.livejournal.com]

Exactly. ARGH!!

[stardragonca.livejournal.com]

I suppose in retrospect, it is now significant that the Aliens his hero Ender commits genocide against were never called anything other than the Buggers.

[redstapler.livejournal.com]

They were renamed the Formics in later novels, and the genocide shifted in society's eyes to a great bloodstain on humanity's hands.

Otherwise, your point stands.

[nobodyreally.livejournal.com]

I think I will start turning his books upside down and backwards in the racks and muttering, "Isn't he always going on about gay marriage? Writes a lot about young boys, too..." whenever I see someone looking at them.

[heron61.livejournal.com]

Back in the 80s, I read a lot of his work, and I defy anyone to read Songmaster and to not become certain that he has big whomping issues about homosexuality and especially about pubescent boys. I'm fairly certain that the inside of that man's head is a deeply scary place.

[xtricks.livejournal.com]

Regarding Supernatural, at least, I think that the qualities of the show (mysogyny (sp), producer!fail) have a tendency to attract a higher quotient of batshit fans (or at least mysoginistic, entitledment oriented ones). Which doesn't mean all SPN fans are like that, of course but still.., craptastic behavior by producers and in the show's basic themes must influence those who watch it. I know my response to what I saw was to stop watching it.

OSC .... god, so strange. One of the more memorable books I read as a kid was his and titled (I think) 'Lost Boys' or similar. Mostly what I remember were the several post-apocolyptic explicit young boy/young boy masochistic sex with, among other things, vics vapor rub as lube. I imagine he's very glad that books is long out of print and mostly forgotten.

[rm.livejournal.com]

I've never seen it, so this is news to me. Short version?

[nisaa.livejournal.com]

I only recently read some of OSC's books and enjoyed them but will now stop reading him.

[demotu.livejournal.com]

You know, people kept telling me OSC was a homophobe, but somehow I didn't realize he was that ACTIVELY a homophobe.

Oh well. I got EG out of the library and had no desire to read the sequels. (I did love it, I just felt it's the kind of book that is probably spoiled by sequels.)

I guess he'll die at some point, and then he can be one of the dead bigots we read anyway because "they lived in another time". *sporfle*

[heron61.livejournal.com]

That man is total nutcase. The craziest thing that I've seen recently is how last year he advocated overthrowing the US government if California's Measure 8 failed to pass.

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

I boycott you ON OTHER PEOPLE'S BEHALF! From the heart of Hell I boycott you!

[chiasmus.livejournal.com]

That made me cringe so much when I read it on his Twitter. Sigh.

[thatwordgrrl.livejournal.com]

Several years ago, at the Browncoat Backup Bash, there was apparently an incident involving a drunk fan grabbing Nathan Fillion's ass. Fillion was -- rightly so -- furious and posted as to such on his MySpace page.

I think some of it comes out as unfulfilled female fantasy for HotMaleLead without the realization that HML is, first and foremost, a human being. And that your hots for them is likely not to be reciprocated.

[laughingacademy.livejournal.com]

The same thing once happened to James Marsters while he was signing and posing for pics. He sent the girl responsible on a walk of shame to the end of the signing line, where I can only imagine she disappeared in a puff of smoke under the focused glares of dozens of angry fans.

[contrarywise]

Hooray for the noms and awards! Go you and kalichan!

TW/DW is the first specific fandom I've been involved in. I've been a generic-yet-serious SF&F fan forever (attended my first con at age 14, had been reading and watching the stuff for years by then), but not particularly involved in any one fandom (media or otherwise) until last year. So the bad behavior and weird boundaries craziness has been one of those unfortunate learning experiences. I didn't think literary fandom was tame and well-behaved (oh, the things I've seen and heard at cons over the years...) until I started learning about these media fandom shenanigans.

And yeah, I heard about Card yesterday via Andrew Sullivan's blog. The man's been an openly homophobic whackjob for ages, so this move is hardly surprising. But yeah, it's been long enough since I read anything of his that there's really nothing I can do to vote with my wallet where he's concerned. More's the pity.

[ladyaelfwynn.livejournal.com]

I'm glad I'm not the only one whose dealing with a learning curve with the more media centered fandoms.

There have been drama llamas running rampant the past day or so on one of my lists about "true fans" and it's been eye opening. I mean, I'd heard that this happened but never had a front row seat for it because, well, I'd never really dealt with that at any of the literary cons I'd gone to in the past.

Sometimes the possessiveness with which some people discuss certain celebrities kind of freaks me out a bit. They cease seeing the actors as people and view them as commodities and feel like they are owed something for having spent X amount of money to attend this gathering or the other.

I'm still trying to get my head around it all.

[sykii.livejournal.com]

Those buses are hideous even if one isn't personally affronted by the name change (which I, like all right-thinking nerds, am). The first time I saw one, I may or may not have shrieked a little bit.
As for Card, you can tell people about his bigotry. You'd be amazed how many people who are sympathetic to LGBTQ causes but not news junkies are unaware of his bigotry. Spread the word.

[sykii.livejournal.com]

Clearly I have not had enough coffee and enjoy typing "bigotry."

[onemildrat.livejournal.com]

Whenever I think of Orson Scott Card, I think of John Kessel's "Creating the Innocent Killer" (http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm). It's an interesting article to read in light of Card's anger over homosexuals trying to 'revoke' his privilege as a married man.

I actually read a lot of Orson Scott Card back in the nineties. Nowadays he joins Lewis Lapham and Tom Robbins as authors I once enjoyed but now view with irritation.

[shipchan.livejournal.com]

Oh my god I freaked out when I saw that Trek trailer during Watchmen. Kirk is a young drunk is so true.

Not surprised about Card. He's always been sort of off.

[villeinage.livejournal.com]

Clearly, the appropriate response to OSC, (and penance for those of us who unwittingly purchased him) is to immediately, but very anonymously, write lots and lots of Ender/Bean SLASH.

Ender/Bean, peeps!!!

Other possibilities:

Ender/Alai

Ender/Colonel Graff

Ender/Mazer Rackham

AND

Ender/Peter--Wiggincest FTW!

[dandelion-diva.livejournal.com]

That's right, I'm annoyed because I can't find a way to reject Card and his work enough.

That's it! That's the thing that's been bothering me! Thank you for putting it into words.:)

re: OSC

[graene.livejournal.com]

Having discovered his work late, before becoming utterly disgusted with Mormons who excommunicated a friend for divorcing a husband who raped and beat her, I just want to point out all his non-_Ender's Game_ (which I still haven't read) stuff where he's exploring various marriage models, although all hetero. I suspect this is a aging, revert-to-core religion thing for him, which does NOT make it ok. Just more like my mom's crazyness, meaning not his opinion or beliefs back when he wrote those novels. In case that helps anyone deal with having liked it. Also, more characters for the slash fanfic abuse suggestion.

[copperbadge.livejournal.com]

I'd suggest making all of Card's ebooks available free of charge (they're all online, and that way he loses sales), but then his freakish ideology would be every the fuck where.

I still have Ender's Game on my shelf, and I haven't the heart to throw it out, but I also haven't read it since finding out what a shithead Card is. Maybe I need to give it a farewell read and then chuck it.