Today started with me accidentally snapping my favorite pair of glasses in half.
Now I am trying to figure out what to wear to the CoE thing today that DWNY is going.
Last night Patty and I saw Public Enemies, which I thought was a film that had no idea what story it wanted to tell and examined too many aspects of the story in deeply curosry ways so that they were disturbing but without viewpoint. That said, the use of music in it was spectacular (what was the guitar track that's also used in the previews? so great!); the performances were all amazing (although I wish the actors had been given more to do, and there's something hilarious about Billy Cruddup playing Hoover); I always forget how much I enjoy that mid-century patrician accent you barely hear anymore that was all over this film; and people, the aesthetic brilliance of the film (oh the suits!) was amazing. So I had fun, and I'm glad we went and romantic dinner afterwards didn't hurt either.
What hurt? CoE preview at the movies!
I find all the fan protests to be really uncomfortable and many of them I find to be really disrespectful/obnoxious as an artist myself. But I gotta say, don't care how crazy it is, the people leaving flowers at the Torchwood tourist office site? Kinda sweet.
I can't believe I snapped my fucking glasses in half!
I think protests are ok if they are tasteful and not nasty. For instance, mailing a coffee bean or wearing a t-shirt asking for Ianto's return is not disrespectful. Some of the stuff i've seen about people being rude to RTD at conventions, however, is. If people need to deal with this by forming a protest group then it's absolutely fine, but if it's a bunch of things done in anger then no one is going to win.The anti-Gwen sentiment that tends to prevail undermines everything they want to achieve. Do I believe protesting will actually make a difference? No. But I do think it will help people if they approach it in a positive and witty manner, befitting the character of Ianto.
I mean, I do get how devastated peopel are. I'm a fucking mess. I also think the writers made a set of choices that were not the only choices but do make absolute sense and delivered us a stellar product or the sort people will be talking about for years to come. and I'd love to see where they go next.
I'm chill with the coffee bean thing (although as an American, it's a bit "teabagging the White House" -- and that's just so cringe-worthy) and so forth, but as you say -- the harrassing creatives, and the excuse for random misogyny is really, really where I lose my patience.
Exactly. The coffee bean idea though is just something that randomly popped into my head. I don't know if it's something people are doing. Anything is better than having people send hatemail. I'm British so I'm not sure what the teabagging the White House thing is..aside from the obvious! Also, where did you hear about the people leaving flowers thing? That is quite sweet. Thanks for all the well thought out post COE entries as well. It's hard to find Ianto fans who are hurting and being rational at the same time!
Actually the coffee bean thing is actually happening -- I've seen planning posts since the night Day 4 aired.
The teabagging thing was the lunatic right-wing fringe in America deciding to protest presumed tax increases (that they don't understand) by mailing teabags to the White House in some sort of supposed echo of the Boston Teaparty (which was about taxation without representation, which is not the issue here). But, in the process, we got lots of Republican political figures going on national TV and saying things like "teabag the White House before they teabag you" which left those of us with a more rich knowledge of sexual slang and the liberal commentators with our jaws hanging open. One of those moments where the horror of American politics was actually funny.
The flowers thing I've seen on Twitter and on LJ. I'm ridiculously touched by it.
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Date: 2009-07-12 03:23 pm (UTC)If people need to deal with this by forming a protest group then it's absolutely fine, but if it's a bunch of things done in anger then no one is going to win.The anti-Gwen sentiment that tends to prevail undermines everything they want to achieve. Do I believe protesting will actually make a difference? No. But I do think it will help people if they approach it in a positive and witty manner, befitting the character of Ianto.
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Date: 2009-07-12 03:27 pm (UTC)I mean, I do get how devastated peopel are. I'm a fucking mess. I also think the writers made a set of choices that were not the only choices but do make absolute sense and delivered us a stellar product or the sort people will be talking about for years to come. and I'd love to see where they go next.
I'm chill with the coffee bean thing (although as an American, it's a bit "teabagging the White House" -- and that's just so cringe-worthy) and so forth, but as you say -- the harrassing creatives, and the excuse for random misogyny is really, really where I lose my patience.
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Date: 2009-07-12 03:36 pm (UTC)The coffee bean idea though is just something that randomly popped into my head. I don't know if it's something people are doing. Anything is better than having people send hatemail. I'm British so I'm not sure what the teabagging the White House thing is..aside from the obvious!
Also, where did you hear about the people leaving flowers thing? That is quite sweet.
Thanks for all the well thought out post COE entries as well. It's hard to find Ianto fans who are hurting and being rational at the same time!
-Nathan
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Date: 2009-07-12 04:44 pm (UTC)The teabagging thing was the lunatic right-wing fringe in America deciding to protest presumed tax increases (that they don't understand) by mailing teabags to the White House in some sort of supposed echo of the Boston Teaparty (which was about taxation without representation, which is not the issue here). But, in the process, we got lots of Republican political figures going on national TV and saying things like "teabag the White House before they teabag you" which left those of us with a more rich knowledge of sexual slang and the liberal commentators with our jaws hanging open. One of those moments where the horror of American politics was actually funny.
The flowers thing I've seen on Twitter and on LJ. I'm ridiculously touched by it.